the lurkist wrote:With the pure ascent, no modifications are made to the stone, no changes are made to accommodate the trepidation of the climber. The challenge is are you good enough, strong enough.
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It is a simple sport. See cliff, climb cliff.
gregkerzhner wrote:Naked free soloing. The only way to go. Cockjam rests are allowed.
Yep - Lurk's approach will always be trumped - naked, blindfolded, chalkless soloing of never climbed, never cleaned lines is the only good style, the ultimate "ethics".
What I'm saying is that that's
your game. Other people play a different game and make up different rules for themselves. I could propose a counter argument of "style" and "ethics" that values quality of movement over all else and concludes that toproping is the ultimate climbing because stopping to place gear or clip interrupts the flow of the movement. Maybe that's how someone out there likes to play - good for them.
I've climbed long enough to know better - that's true. I know that we're all playing different games by different rules and as long as we don't take away from each other (by smearing each other's "style" or chopping other's bolts or bolting other's established trad routes or doing shit that impairs access, etc.), it's no big deal.
Piggy nailed it here:
pigsteak wrote:how about going out and establishing/FA'ing these monster trad lines before bolts get put in? then you'd have the FA on gear, and bolts would never be added. Pulling bolts is lame..period. (unless the equipper, like in trotter's case, OK's the removal)...folks cut their teeth on sport lines, getting strong enough in the process to then send these lines, and then bad mouth the same bolts that helped them get where they are....ghey...ghey...ghey....
And Piggy - go ahead and only established mixed routes - people will never complain about your routes/bolting (because mixed routes rarely get done...)
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