[quote="pippen"]Weber,
Dude, it’s clear Buster has a hair up his butt for the Webers and Muir Valley. And he loves twisting your words to distort the meaning. Don’t fall into his trap. Although amusing to some, Buster’s immature bravado and our irresponsible forum rants glorifying reckless climbing could result in some pretty bad things happening around here.
Here is a example of what I mean written by our sweet Mr. “Busterâ€
sketchy bolts...
thank you rockman..I am eternally grateful....rockman wrote:and you should be grateful that we have allowed this. We typically dont allow swine to scramble on our boulders.pigsteak wrote:Check your facts. I have bolted more lines in the southern region than in Muir. Does that mean I taste the dinner of the entire board of directors?
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
I know. I guess that I wanted to live another day so that I could display more immature bravado and go off on irresponsible forum rants.pigsteak wrote:you pussy buster...replacing the spicy porter hangers with, gasp, "safer" hardware....the audacity.
Sorry....
'Darling, may I please be excused for a moment?
I have to shake hands with a very dear friend of mine, whom I hope to introduce you to after dinner.'
The polite way to excuse yourself and take a piss.
I have to shake hands with a very dear friend of mine, whom I hope to introduce you to after dinner.'
The polite way to excuse yourself and take a piss.
I CAREFULLY WROTE THIS, CAREFULLY READ BEFORE REPLYING. SIDE SWIPES AND MISREPRESENTATIONS WILL BE DEALT WITH HARSHLY (not to you rick, but to those other chuffers who may hop in).
Alright, time for a weigh in. My problem, not that you care or will listen, is that we DO NOT need to be encouraging every Tom, Dick, and Jerry to go out and bolt. Sure on your land you have final say (as is right and i in no way find fault with that and your management has appeared to be very successful) but I do not want to see any random climber bolting stuff. While I liked your technical treatment of bolting (i do not wish to discuss a few particulars that I disagree with as it isn't relevant to the conversation), but I strongly feel that it tacitly encourages people to bolt who shouldn't be bolting. While I understand that you have legalistic statements that deal with random bolting, i think we all know that people usually ignore that kind of stuff. Additionally, I am very surprised that you would assume such a heavy legal responsibility by making this available to the world (even with your disclaimers i think you are on sketchy ground here).
I am happy that your land is being developed in the way it is, but we do not have these controls set up on our land and there are no controls on FS land (and the consequences of random bolting there are very dire for us there). As a result, a bunch of crap has been bolted in the PMRP recently that could've been skipped. The hardest part of bolting a route is finding one that is worth bolting. I am not trying to be an elitist (a comfortable place for me what with my PhD in a super complex field, my climbing creds, my humility, etc.) but instead a realist. We all know that more is not better, and even on your land you will run out of stuff to bolt before you know it.
So why don't you pull your bolting guide (as in asdf it), but keep the cleaning guide as it will help the Jerrs out. You know all of the bolters so why don't you just email it to them directly. You will get major crust points.
And another thing, try not to take this stuff so seriously. We are all intelligent, ego-driven, type A personalities (just like you i guess - NO DISRESPECT - that is a compliment among us) and we have opinions. Take the opinion, weigh it, toss some shit back (funnier is better), and move on. Your legacy is firmly established, and you can feel very comfortable that you are a central figure in this life drama of ours. However, you are not our leader.
I truly hope you have a nice day, and let us all try to get along.
Alright, time for a weigh in. My problem, not that you care or will listen, is that we DO NOT need to be encouraging every Tom, Dick, and Jerry to go out and bolt. Sure on your land you have final say (as is right and i in no way find fault with that and your management has appeared to be very successful) but I do not want to see any random climber bolting stuff. While I liked your technical treatment of bolting (i do not wish to discuss a few particulars that I disagree with as it isn't relevant to the conversation), but I strongly feel that it tacitly encourages people to bolt who shouldn't be bolting. While I understand that you have legalistic statements that deal with random bolting, i think we all know that people usually ignore that kind of stuff. Additionally, I am very surprised that you would assume such a heavy legal responsibility by making this available to the world (even with your disclaimers i think you are on sketchy ground here).
I am happy that your land is being developed in the way it is, but we do not have these controls set up on our land and there are no controls on FS land (and the consequences of random bolting there are very dire for us there). As a result, a bunch of crap has been bolted in the PMRP recently that could've been skipped. The hardest part of bolting a route is finding one that is worth bolting. I am not trying to be an elitist (a comfortable place for me what with my PhD in a super complex field, my climbing creds, my humility, etc.) but instead a realist. We all know that more is not better, and even on your land you will run out of stuff to bolt before you know it.
So why don't you pull your bolting guide (as in asdf it), but keep the cleaning guide as it will help the Jerrs out. You know all of the bolters so why don't you just email it to them directly. You will get major crust points.
And another thing, try not to take this stuff so seriously. We are all intelligent, ego-driven, type A personalities (just like you i guess - NO DISRESPECT - that is a compliment among us) and we have opinions. Take the opinion, weigh it, toss some shit back (funnier is better), and move on. Your legacy is firmly established, and you can feel very comfortable that you are a central figure in this life drama of ours. However, you are not our leader.
I truly hope you have a nice day, and let us all try to get along.
There was no note on the rock that said the FA loved that rock and that it was integral to the route. There is no mention of the rock or any type of fun importance as in "have fun pulling around the loose rock" in the route description. The rock not being there doesn't make the route easier or harder. If you think leaving a rock that can pull off and hit one's belayer is cool, special, or somehow gives a route a legacy, then your ability to rationally discuss important issues is in serious doubt. As the Vice-President of the coalition, fiercely defended positions that hold little regard for your fellow climbers, let alone down right contempt, doesn't present a friendly face for an organization that still has a ton of money to raise to pay off our mortgage. If this is what climbing is all about, then why aren't all of the area's route developers leaving big ass pieces of rock, loose flakes, and protruding tree branches in situ? Wasn't everyone flaming the Muir developers a couple of years ago for not properly clearing boulders off routes? I love how consistent the climbing community is.charlie wrote:If that chossy block at the top of the route that has special connotations for the FA
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The theory of evolution is just as stupid as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism.
I find Buster's antagonism toward Weber mystifying. Weber has not come off as autocratic, even on his own property he is open to suggestions and criticism.
You could have one of my eye-teeth to make me important enough to have an arch enemy, sworn to my destruction and public opprobrium, a fellow with whom I could match wits and play at the game of cat-and-also-cat.(1) Alas, I fear that I fall far short of such prestige and that I always will.
References
1. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Venture_Bros.
You could have one of my eye-teeth to make me important enough to have an arch enemy, sworn to my destruction and public opprobrium, a fellow with whom I could match wits and play at the game of cat-and-also-cat.(1) Alas, I fear that I fall far short of such prestige and that I always will.
References
1. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Venture_Bros.
Caribe, You sir are the King Jerr. Is that enough of a prop? I am willing to make you my arch on-line enemy as Andrew has fallen short of the mark. We can meet at the student center for lunch and discuss our proposed feud. I'll buy. Bring your helmet and prusiks.caribe wrote:I find Buster's antagonism toward Weber mystifying. Weber has not come off as autocratic, even on his own property he is open to suggestions and criticism.
You could have one of my eye-teeth to make me important enough to have an arch enemy, sworn to my destruction and public opprobrium, a fellow with whom I could match wits and play at the game of cat-and-also-cat.(1) Alas, I fear that I fall far short of such prestige and that I always will.
References
1. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Venture_Bros.
Fearlessly awaiting your reply. A.