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If you all would actually read, he said that he's meeting a more experienced climber

jogle5169 wrote: im talking about when it comes to climbing outside. im planning on meeting some people there and learning before i even start. there is no where around here so i figured i go and learn from some guys out there.

meadows. always ready to ruin a good rant......punter.

Where does the word experienced exist in that quote? Gumbys learning from gumbys? When has that ever happened? (or is it Gumbi)

Toad, Where in his post does he say he's meeting up with gumbies? "Learning from" implies the people he's meeting has experience/knowledge. Whether they meet your standards or not, we cannot determine.

Feel free though to write up a checklist of "I know what I'm talking about" items. Let's see if I meet your standards the next time I belay ya.

pigsteak, still stuck on 90s slang? Punter hai re ekdum

and does he actually know the people he is meeting, or is he just going to meet people through his outgoing personality.

Where does the word experienced exist in that quote? Gumbys learning from gumbys? When has that ever happened? (or is it Gumbi)

Just as neophytes are more likely to get hurt b/c they 1. can't climb are weak and get pumped and fall 2. made crucial mistakes with their belay, gear, harness, etc 3. b/c they can't climb they tend to climb on the lowest angle slabs they can find, which happen to be cheese graters or ankle breakers and 4. tend to be taught by others that are barely moe experienced than they are ("Hey Y'all, watch this!")

so how does a gumby determine who is competent to teach?

spray lists, duh

see, I knew this all would come full csircle...so Ray, your spray feature is actually helping mankind to survive.

and getting rid of natural selection, so is it really a backstep?