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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:13 pm
by ReachHigh
(btw, I wear a blindfold while drilling as to sanctify the onsight)

I see you use the force to guide your drill.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:36 pm
by tomdarch
pigsteak wrote:um, tomdarch, that is for when we have to take gumbies like you to the crag and wait for you to hangdog up our warmups...we tick those "crappy" holds on your proj because our proj is over the top of yours. those "crappy" holds are what we campus off of to pass the time.
You have no idea how true that is at the moment! :lol: (Funny how not climbing much for a year or so makes the holds on AWOL get strikingly smaller than I remember!)

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:58 pm
by pigsteak
lol...man, I feel your pain. a long layouff makes every route seem impossible.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:04 pm
by dmw
there have been way too many blind jokes going on lately. climbing with a german shepherd, blind midgets, etc. what is wrong with you people? huh? huh?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:06 pm
by Yasmeen
It's a ploy to get closer to you, dmw. They're hot for teacher. ;)

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:09 pm
by dmw
:oops:

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:27 pm
by marathonmedic
It's one thing to leave marks as a consequence of using the rock and enjoying it. Sitting in your harness and placing white scars on every possible hold to help you grunt, piss, and swear past a move is totally different. You're obviously "climbing" beyond your limit. It starts as someone just ticking the good hold, but soon someone comes by and tics ALL of the holds. I was working the start of Imaculate Deception last year and there were over 20 ticked footholds for the left foot BEFORE the first bolt! If that's you, use your stickclip to TR the section and move on instead of deluding yourself into thinking you "figured it out".

Also, every try to actually get rid of a tic mark? You can only get about half the chalk off and it still leaves a scar on the rock. When some of this rock only gets wet about once every 20 or so years (if that), those marks may be there for a very long time. How about preserving something for those who come later?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:41 pm
by pigsteak
yawn...yawn...YAWN....

how subtle, using the misleading word "scar" to describe a form of chalk you dislike, yet fully justifying the desired amount of chalk you use on your hands.

your "tick marks is climbing above your head" theory is laughable. let me help you out and see where it goes...

using chalk at all is climbing over your head.

using a rope is climbing over your head.

using sticky rubber is.....

using cams instead of passive pro is....

using spray, guidebooks, commentary from your belayer etc is.....

tick marks are visual pollution, nothing more, nothing less. their use does not lessen your climbing experience any more than your barking dog lessens mine. everytime I drive to roadside and see 15-20 cars parked there, I ponder how many carbon neutral tree huggers in the group car pooled? when I deal with the trash left at the base, your pack thrown on more vegetation, and your piss smell just out of reach of my nostrils, I dream of only having tick marks to ruin my day.

if you hate tick marks, then brush them. and don't forget to always have 4 people in your gas guzzling car. and for god's sake , quit drinking beer cause recycling those glass bottles is spewing poison on mother earth.

come to think of it, those nylon tents have oil by products in their fabric, but let's save that for a rainy day....

I vote for banning all chalk at the Red...any takers?

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:07 pm
by marathonmedic
Thank you piggie for putting my meager words into perspective. My humble thoughts are mere pollution on this vessel that allows us to learn from your divine, unbiased wisdom. Please forgive my wasting your time and excuse my former ignorance.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:30 pm
by mcrib
If chalk=tape=gym climbing and ticks=tape=gym climbing than why tick holds?