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you people still don't get it. They are gear routes and sport routes. All of the climbing at the Red is "cragging" none of it is trad climbing. Like others I have climbed trad on all gear and on all bolts at Trad cliffs. Cragging areas like the Red and the New its either bolts or gear...NOT trad. Only real trad cliff around here is Seneca.

Get it?

rhunt, you dont even climb anymore, your comments are invalid and taking up too much storage space. please refrain. thanks

It's only semi-retirement. Like when Jordan took some time off to play baseball. It got other interests at the moment. Plus I am waiting for Piggy to bolt some more walls so I can come and onsight everthing in a day.

OK, let's go back to the original post. "what is a mixed route, anyway?"
In the larger world of climbing a "mixed" route means mixed rock and ice. That's all. In the Red River Gorge "mixed" is a protection note, as is "TR". "Mixed" means some gear and some bolts, "TR" means protected by top rope. While I only know my "mixed" routes in the Red, they are all trad routes for sure. The word "mixed" implies nothing about whether a route is sport or trad. Theoretically, it would even be possible to put up a "sport" route all on gear. Not very likely, as someone would be sure to clean all the fixed pieces, especially if they were valuable.

you just made a nono. we just learned the red doesnt have trad

Thanks dyno heaven

finally someone gets it

No, historically, cragging was trad climbing. Sport climbing is a relatively new style of cragging. Not sure what the confusion is about. Or, likely, I just don't get the joke.

when people get their panties in an uproar about 'trad" climbing, they usaually mean they are placing removable pro that leaves no trace of their being there. When any bolts are placed, I just thought a route was, by default, now a mixed route, and not a trad line.

that's all

quit thinking and shut up and listen to the man. he's schoolin ya right.

so you can have a mixed sport or a mixed trad line? or is it as rhunt sdays, and there are no trad lines at the Red?