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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:14 pm
by dhoyne
pigsteak wrote:gas was $1.50 a gallon last summer? your math is off.
Yep. It was. Early on, anyway.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:16 pm
by Huggybone
Those of you that are saying: "Sac up" and "the people complaining won't do anything to change their behavior..."

Are you stupid?

People who don't make fucking 40 grand a year, who have a family to support, WON"T HAVE A GODDAMN CHOICE!
at 3$ a gallon, getting 30, do you hear me, 30 miles to the gallon, I am forced to either:
a. Stop climbing. Havn't been for 2 months. Yes, gobblers I know, gas was ONLY 2. something 2 months ago.

b. Give up any sort of savings for retirement.

Not doing anything to change behavior? WTF?
I live in the cheapest housing I could find, and I'm renting
I have very cheap health insurance
I NEVER buy anything overpriced like an 8$ mountain dew. Buying that shit would make my IQ drop 50 points.
I don't drive anywhere unless I have no choice. How is that for not changing behavior?

After not climbing for two months, I have 400 dollars that I wouln't normally have. for those of you who are engineers and stock brockers and computer people, please notice that 400$ is alot of money for opeople outside of your profession.
If I climbed every weekend, Like I could when gas was cheaper, I would be going into the hole every month.

All you people talking about "Gee, its great that I'm getting bent over at the pump, now I feel more like Europe. It feels so good to know that now I don't have an economic advantage over other countries"

are you stupid?

Gas prices RUN this country. What do you think will happen when truckers realize that they are making no profit? What do you think will happen when it is no longer economically feasable to transport goods? When its too expensive to get food to the store?

If gas keeps going up, the cost of all goods will skyrocket, anybody not making serious bank is going to be in REAL poverty.

"Its good because now we will have to face reality"

Yeah. Facing the reality of 1/3 of your country starving to death beacause thay can't afford food is REAL good.

The only benifit to gas prices skyrocketing is
1) The government has essentially doubled a tax (And I LOVE taxes) without having to do anything).
2) People who own gas futures might become so wealthy they can use the bones of their starving countrymen to decorate their house.

Take with salt. I'm PISSED.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:30 pm
by KD
yeah huggy! :D rage on!!!

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:28 pm
by Spragwa
Honestly, I hope that gas prices drive the price of goods up. We have the technology to significantly reduce and/or eliminate our dependence upon gasoline and have had this technology for quite awhile. What have we done with this technology? Nothing. I believe that when you vent your spleen about gas prices, you still need to direct some of that ire inward since we never demanded that our leaders place greater emphasis on moving the country away from oil dependence.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:34 pm
by Saxman
The price of gas has definitely changed out behavior. Fewer trips everywhere; Cincinnati, mother in law in Somerset, mother out in the country, climbing in the gorge. All have been cut by about 75%.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:44 pm
by hotkarl
I bought a diesel last summer, 40 mpg. I have been thinking of running it on veggie oil. Sandy, good luck finding a diesel. I waited 8 weeks last year to get mine and that was before gas prices broke 3 bucks.

Huggybone, how has the gov't doubled a tax? Isn't gas taxed per gallon? They could actually take in less tax dollars on gas if people don't drive as much.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:45 pm
by pigsteak
well said Spragwa.... it is our own damn fault...we should have been off gas and oil dependency years ago..maybe this is the push we need.

huggybone...climbing is a choice, and you chose wisely to stop climbing and save money. climbing is a diversion, pure and simple.

do you (or wife, kids, etc) have a cell phone?
cable TV? satellite?
more than one car in your family?
ever drink a beverage other than water?
think about owning and not renting? (cheaper at these interest rates)
you have internet service it seems. what's that...$30 a month?
how many times do you eat out a week? even McDonalds.


not trying to be a dick...just pointing out there are probably a hundred ways we all waste money..we percieve certain things as a necessity when they are not (cell phones and internet are NOT a necessity).

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:54 pm
by rhunt
Pigsteak...for some climbing is a lifestlye and a passionate pursuit, and for others a way of life and their profession. I disgaree that climbing is a diversion, pure and simple. A diversion to some yes but not all.

Also my rent I am sure is cheaper than a mortgage payment.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:00 pm
by charlie
Huggybone wrote:......People who don't make fucking 40 grand a year, who have a family to support, WON"T HAVE A GODDAMN CHOICE! .......
Hate to break it to you Huggy but that's what you get for picking a profession that makes the world a better place instead of whoring yourself out for the man. :wink:

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:16 pm
by pigsteak
rhunt..."a life and profession"?..whoa there...a profession? right, I forgot that nowadays everyone is a "professional"...

naw, its a diversion from reality and substance for everyone. Piggie has ruled. End of discussion.