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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:38 pm
by Yasmeen
That's right! Because the only reason we climb is to escape monsters and sit in huecos!

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:49 pm
by Canuck
umm... what if the monster climbs up after you?

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:20 pm
by rhunt
Canuck wrote:umm... what if the monster climbs up after you?
...and eats the rat instead of you?

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:22 pm
by Danny
it's critical to estimate the monsters climbing abilities before choosing what to climb. once I underestimated ones abilities and she ate my balls before I finally escaped.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:54 pm
by Roentgen Ray
The monsters aren't always as big as you might think. I was attacked by 100's of little yellow-orange spotted monsters this weekend at Funk Rock. Thankfully, the freeze Monday night did most of 'em in.

can you rate without sending?

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:28 am
by hashplant5
Im obviously in the minority with my opinion, but as a boulderer, I feel climbs/ problems should be rated more by technique than pump factor, only because skill is not strength, theres no such thing as a number of pullups equaling a rating. Therefore I am forced to also say that many sport climbs at the red are GENEROUSLY rated and you can totally rate without even coming close to sending......pump is not a factor !!!!

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:26 pm
by Caspian
Danny wrote:it's critical to estimate the monsters climbing abilities before choosing what to climb. once I underestimated ones abilities and she ate my balls before I finally escaped.
I thought something seemed different about you

Re: can you rate without sending?

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:20 pm
by rhunt
hashplant5 wrote:Im obviously in the minority with my opinion, but as a boulderer, I feel climbs/ problems should be rated more by technique than pump factor, only because skill is not strength, theres no such thing as a number of pullups equaling a rating. Therefore I am forced to also say that many sport climbs at the red are GENEROUSLY rated and you can totally rate without even coming close to sending......pump is not a factor !!!!
We should start a new thread then. Lets re-rate all the climbs at the Red 12a or harder by the single hardest move..ie technique..that would be interesting :roll:

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:55 pm
by Wes
As a great example of what this thread is talking about, I got on Mercy for the first time yesterday. Leading it bolt-to-bolt, felt like mid 5.11. Just nice v1/v2 boulder problems the whole way. But, when I started trying to link those *easy* problems together, they all the sudden got way harder. It is one of the coolest routes I have ever done, still I don't think it is 12c though.

Wes

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:57 pm
by Artsay
I don't think it's 12c either. More like 12a.