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I'm not sure of Hamsco's motives, adding the before mentioned belay station made Valor... more user friendly,I know Holly is a trad route with a two bolt anchor, perhaps Hamsco intends to go back and bolt it also.. I just don't know for sure.

yeah the goal for the fall is 5.11 valley trad. doable. they are more interested in an impressive resume (climbs, walls, speed). that's why im going to OD on walls and fast this year as well as train like a mfer. i hear 5.11 is their pre req.

Okay. I didn't think the route was that big of a deal. Seems to me that it's a little late to hope for an uncrowded Roadside on the weekend. I lobbied for no bolts on Pulling Pockets and nobody cared. I lobbied for no bolts on Fadda, and nobody cared. I lobbied for no anchors on Roadside attraction and nobody cared.

Now, it seems that Roadside is a destination for folks wanting a gym climbing experience. What it lacks are moderate routes for those folks. That's why I've been putting them in where possible. I'm not really in favor of dumbing down routes, but I'm pragmatic as well. If there is a desire/need for moderate routes, or routes with easy anchors, and it's located at an already well developed area, then why not?

If any of you feel strongly about it, go chop the bolts. I don't care. There are probably 1000 more poorly protected trad routes to do in the Red if that's your thing. I'm one of the few who likes those routes, but I don't think Valor is classic by any means.

thank you.

any body who chops your route is a first class schmuck...like you said, it isn't like they bolted roadside attraction every 4 feet....

geesh, people love to bitch about any and everything....me included...now go climb.

fo sho. everybody here is angry all the time. just go climb and don't be a dick.

fo sho....? is that like "for sure", only cooler? back in the day, we used to say "man" and "dude"....just wanting to keep up on the latest..peace out.

someone said "word" to me the other day..what does that mean?

i am lazy. you got the point though.

word is kinda like right on or i agree.

im listed as having done it but after the bolts were placed.

im listed as having done it after it was bolted, but using sky hooks through the bolts instead of draws