Brilliant Orange at the Gold Goast

Post by **rmcfall** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:04 pm

Sounds like you'd be a great help down here, Canadaclimbergirl.

You happen to know Gus and Triggs? They're in Toronto....

Post by **canadaclimbergirl** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:12 pm

you know..I've been asked if I know 'Gus' before......apparenlty 'everyone' knows Gus....

But, I do not know either of them. Canada is pretty big eh!!!

Post by **rmcfall** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:20 pm

Yeah, you are definitely a ways from Toronto. Gus and Triggs get around, so I thought I'd ask. I actually met them through friends down here some time ago. Do you come to the red often?

Post by **Spragwa** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:20 pm

CCG, you're awesome! I completely agree with that bolting etiquette. If the information is available, then you should contact the bolter and ask if they will give the route up.

Post by **climbhigh** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:22 pm

No worries man.

And I do know what it takes to put up new lines.I have not done any here at the Red. But I have had some down south. I would be very pissed if someone came right after I put it up or started working the line(boulder problems included), and they got on it, very pissed. I am just trying to figure out what is a good time limit, if there is one. And I agree you should talk to the equipper, if they are available before trying the route. Im not by any means saying fuck all red tagged routes, not at all. But I do not think that just by sticking a few bolts in a wall makes it mine to determine when and how people can climb it. I know Im not coming across exactly how I feel on this issue. Trust me Im not some asshole out there wanting to steal routes. I truly believe in treating people how I want to be treated. Hopefully we do run into each other at the crag one day, share a few thoughts and a rope.

Matt

Post by **canadaclimbergirl** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:25 pm

Spragwa - thx.

My first trip to the RRG starts on Sept 26. I will arrive at Miguels on Sunday Evening the 28.

I have 12 days. I sure hope you guys have some good weather and Bourbon for me!

I hope to meet Gus and Triggs. I am sure that I will bump into them eventually!

Post by **allah** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:34 pm

YO YO, holms i can get on what ever red tag i want, just as long as i dont do it, that is my opinion and the way i do things. I could have done your route saturday very easily but didnt in respect to YOU, I wont do the route or get back on it till you do it or decide to give it up. I knew it was your project and knew nothin other than that until i got responses on the forum. I have never stolen a project from someone and dont plan on doing so ever. I never meant to make anyone mad or pissed off, sorry holms.

Oh yea congrats on the baby

Post by **air canada** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:34 pm

CCG you got it! I seriously doubt most people have any clue, or have considered, the amount of work involved in developing new areas. I was involved in a bit of it in Ontario, and done some trail work here. All of the people putting up routes around here have put incredible amount of work in, and deserve a lot of credit for it. Those new routes can be incredibly tempting, but please have the courtesty to, at the very least, contact the person who put it up.

Post by **allah** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:40 pm

Oh yea and another thing, the name is Kenny Barker, I stay at Cliffview

Post by **pigsteak** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:24 pm

it is time for the forum bot to step in and set up the guidelines for all climbers.

hear yea, hear yea..the following pronouncement is now law as it pertains to newly equipped lines:

1) the equipper of any bolted line must send the project within 24 months or 20 repoint burns, whichever is shorter

2) to keep track of their progress, the equipper must post his/her progress on this site.

3) in the event the above time periods lapse, the equipper has two alternatives: open up the route, or lie and say it was sent.

4) all new routes will give credit to the "equipper" and the "first ascensionist", so that no one has their feelings hurt.

5) an alternative to the above "time line" would be that after every burn, the potential sender must place another red tag on the first bolt. As long as tags can be attached to the first bolt (and a draw still hung), it can still be claimed as a poject. Once the hanger is full, it means the project is over the person's head, and they must move on.

6) I am at a loss as to how to handle trad lines...do I place a red tag on the closest sapling to claim my space?

7) and boulder problems..will a blood spot on the starting holds suffice to designate my domain?