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Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:24 pm
by pigsteak
climb2core wrote:lmao,
piggy, i hAve beeN secretly tolD that you aRE all fluff and Weak sauce and that you really don't believe what you are saying on this board and that i am just arguing with myself :) Of course, as it was a confidential pm, i would never disclose my source.

its all fun and games until someone gets hurt, eh? pontificating on real issues on here? pfffft...

Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:21 am
by caribe
Dragon cams rock, they feel like BD; excellent quality and also a little lighter.

Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:08 am
by cliftongifford
I want some... why so expensive though?

Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:18 pm
by pawilkes
cliftongifford wrote:I want some... why so expensive though?
maybe it is because they are made in France where wages are higher than in China. I worked for my father during college and asked him one day how he could justify taking jobs from Americans by supplying American manufacturers with lower cost castings and parts from China. His response was that if the companies couldn't reduce their costs to they wouldn't stay competitive and the entire company would go down. Loosing some casting jobs saved other jobs. I am not an economist but there is some truth in what he said.

In BDs case, this was part of the motivation but another part is that BD is sold world wide, so why not produce things around the world? There is BD Europe and BD China is opening up climbing in China. I worked as an intern for BD and helped assemble a cam pull test machine to ship to China for their operations there so I am not just making things up. I worked with hardware so I don't know much about the soft goods or warranty which is what Joe had an issue with so I am not going to comment about it.

Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:06 pm
by caribe
Well there you have it Joe. Blame Phi.

Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:29 am
by Clevis Hitch
It see,s the issues with BD may be resolved. I got an e-mail and they said they were going to fix everything. I should have my cam on the 13th and my pack on the 15th...we'll see.

Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:10 am
by DHB
squeaky wheel

Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:12 pm
by Clevis Hitch
yup

Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:20 pm
by climb2core
Clevis Hitch wrote:It see,s the issues with BD may be resolved. I got an e-mail and they said they were going to fix everything. I should have my cam on the 13th and my pack on the 15th...we'll see.
Adam take care of you?

Re: Black Diamond

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:39 pm
by pigsteak
just listened to a program on NPR about how iphones, ipads, HP laptops and a plethora of other elec gadgets are made by the same factory in China. Foxconn was the company name. Several companies make the components for the iphone, but Foxconn is by far the biggest "partner" wiht Apple. so if you are one of those in love with your I-whatever, do not, I repeat, DO NOT, ever complain about jobs going overseas. You are the problem.