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oh, in my experience, it depends on how much longer.....

Shamis wrote:but longer doesn't necessary mean better. .

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First of all, Rifle is only considered "one of the worlds best crags" by the delusional guidebook author and a few other hermits who have been swappin' semen in the back of the Skull cave for so long, they don't know other crags have been found in the last 20 years.

It all depends on the style. Without doubt the Red has the best steep pumpy climbing in North America. However, for bouldery routes or face climbs there are better crags. It also depends on the grades. Most crags out west do not have great moderate routes, but the Red does. Furthermore, as you get into the higher grades, many of the hard routes out West start to resemble the hard Red routes.

Also, if you like nice vistas there are some great spots out west, but I have to admit, Purgatory was looking pretty sweet yesterday.

Finally, the weather here sucks. Miraculously, we happen to have the only rock I've touched that you can actually climb hard routes on when it's in the 80's. Shit, at the VRG or Smith you don't attempt to climb hard if it's above 55. So we have a pretty long season here, DESPITE the weather, not because of it.

One thing I haven't heard mentioned yet...the bugs out here suck ass...literally. I've been scratching it all day. Bugs are not an issue out west. Sometimes you see rattlesnakes, but I've never stuck my fingers in a pocket only to have a Wolf spider jump out.

The bats and frogs that eat bugs are dissapearing at an alarming rate.And your asshole nieghbor is too stupid to clean the gutters and dump standing water so you're gonna get west nile or some shit. I really hate the ankle biters Joshua tree salve helps.

the best part about the east and more importantly the southeast is the people in those areas. the west has the biggest concentration of fucksticks, a-holes, and douchebags. must be all that clean air, great views, and vegan meals.

mike_anderson wrote: One thing I haven't heard mentioned yet...the bugs out here suck ass...literally. I've been scratching it all day. Bugs are not an issue out west. Sometimes you see rattlesnakes, but I've never stuck my fingers in a pocket only to have a Wolf SCIN repellent jump out.

Im in Utah right now and the mosquitos suck! Oh, and as far as scenery goes, i say green rolling hills are much prettier than miles of desert choss that is all of the west.

If only Kentucky had elevation. Climbing the Corbin sandstone at 6000-8000 ft would be great for conditioning.
As it is, I feel pretty fortunate to live close to it.

I got in an argument with a guy the other day who insisted that the Red is the "funnest" crag in the US, but Rifle is the "best." Of course I think he's been inhaling too many sika fumes at his SoCal chossheaps.

The East overall has the more engaging sport climbing and nicer cimber communities, but the West wins for weather, quantity, better scenery, and diversity of rock types and styles.

My favorite sport crag in the US, for ease of camping, solitude, year round quality, and endless supply of routes, is Indian Creek.

The Creek does have some fine sport climbing, but I find the movement somewhat repetitive. Oh, and I wish the routes were longer.

Red Rocks has secret multi-pitch sport routes that are sweet but few in number and hidden well. It seems like the sport routes out west are very spread out with the majority being trad or simply undeveloped. The Red has to be the best sport destination on the planet. I have not seen anything yet that compares even close. Some areas have one or two stellar sport routes but you have to seek them out. At the Red it is one after another.