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whatahutch, it doesnt really matter the details does it??? i am sure he had done the route before, it was not far from his house (mammoth lakes, dike wall).... also talking to some of his close friends here in cali they said that a hold broke. its really hard to say because nobody was there to see it happen. now does that make you feel better about it all???

Bachar was the man and his routes will push and challenge climbers for many generation.

ynp1, I don't know about whatsherhooch, but for me, it's not about making me feel better knowing the circumstances... but Bachar was like Superman, you know? Along those lines, it would be good to know that the rock failed, he didn't. Kind of keep that mental image intact. Maybe you knew him though, I'm sure it's different for those that did.

quicksilver wrote:Bachar was certainly one of a kind and while he chose to accept the calculated risk of soloing he did not encourage or infer that others should do so.

You do know he wrote a book on free soloing right?

In any case, RIP JB. He definitely was a badass climber.

No need to pick on me Matt. I was sad to hear it happened. I wish it would have never happened. I respected what Bachar did for climbing. He was essentially the first man to incorporate training outside of climbing so he could climb harder. He was a bad ass. A legend to look towards, holding knowledge and insight that could be followed on our own climbing paths.

Call it morbid courisity, if you wish.
I wondered what happened a little more because I am out of the states now and not around a climbing community like yourself. I am sure someone around you in Yosemite asked the same questions I did. Did you rebuttle them the same way; or did you say man I don't know, let's asks some of John's old friends.

I call it a desire to learn what happened to a man I admired. And in the end I call it a loss to our climbing world and I feel for those that were closest to him.

whatahutch wrote:No need to pick on me Matt. I was sad to hear it happened. I wish it would have never happened. I respected what Bachar did for climbing. He was essentially the first man to incorporate training outside of climbing so he could climb harder. He was a bad ass. A legend to look towards, holding knowledge and insight that could be followed on our own climbing paths.

Call it morbid courisity, if you wish.
I wondered what happened a little more because I am out of the states now and not around a climbing community like yourself. I am sure someone around you in Yosemite asked the same questions I did. Did you rebuttle them the same way; or did you say man I don't know, let's asks some of John's old friends.

I call it a desire to learn what happened to a man I admired. And in the end I call it a loss to our climbing world and I feel for those that were closest to him.

When somebody dies, everybody that has ever met them suddenly becomes their closest friend. So by asking questions of these close friends, you are being very insensitive.

Shamis wrote:

whatahutch wrote:No need to pick on me Matt. I was sad to hear it happened. I wish it would have never happened. I respected what Bachar did for climbing. He was essentially the first man to incorporate training outside of climbing so he could climb harder. He was a bad ass. A legend to look towards, holding knowledge and insight that could be followed on our own climbing paths.

Call it morbid courisity, if you wish.
I wondered what happened a little more because I am out of the states now and not around a climbing community like yourself. I am sure someone around you in Yosemite asked the same questions I did. Did you rebuttle them the same way; or did you say man I don't know, let's asks some of John's old friends.

I call it a desire to learn what happened to a man I admired. And in the end I call it a loss to our climbing world and I feel for those that were closest to him.

When somebody dies, everybody that has ever met them suddenly becomes their closest friend. So by asking questions of these close friends, you are being very insensitive.

it's all about tact and timing.

All you "Red" climbers are lucky to have your
wonderful playground AKA "The Red".

Why not enjoy it and let this thread die.
Just let it go.

i really didnt mean anything bad by my remarks chad. i was just saying i really dont think the details matter much. the big picture i think is enough. i have never meet bachar, but i do know a lot of his good friends and have climb a few of his routes and respect him a lot. he will be missed....