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benckmark, to me, means it is a sandbagged line that folks like to smile when mentioning it. call me cynical.

pigsteak wrote:benckmark, to me, means it is a sandbagged line that folks like to smile when mentioning it. call me cynical.

yeah i have to agree, but i am cynical. it seems like lines that tend to get downgraded, or are attempted to be downgraded, are lines that are classic and see a lot of traffic. ro shampo is a classic example.

which reminds me, who thinks AWOL is more like 5.9?

I think it's harder than Stay the Hand.

Nice spray meadows, Kris and I have been teaching you well.

Andrew wrote:Nice spray meadows, Kris and I have been teaching you well.

that's what climbing 5.12 and above gives a person....we are able to spray down on those poor schmucks who ONLY climb 10's and 11's....

although I did have a buddy onsight my projs at the Surf and think the 12's were a bit light..talk about taking the bravado out of my sails.

wait! hold up, I want in on this subtle spray...

Steel Worker or Thirsting Skull ~ benchmark 12c

ahh that felt good 8)

Wow, you just sprayed about how old you are.

gripster wrote:which reminds me, who thinks AWOL is more like 5.9?

not me

JR wrote:There are a handful of soft routes at those crags also. Whats right of the Underling, Frugal Chariot and Go Easy Billy Clyde, these routes seemed much easier than the oft argued Ro. I am not saying they are soft enough to be changed, they are just easier 12a's that should not be used as a standard.

i wouldn't know. i can barely climb the 11s out there. i used ESBR as an example b/c what i have been on there seemed solid/stiff in comparison to other areas.

also, to clarify my intent: i just wanted to get a grade debate going to clear out some of the trad vs. sport stuff. now that this has turned into a not so subtle stroke fest, i'm off to start a poll on what belay device beginners should use...