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Its not really a fall, right? Just a swing? If he was lowering out with slack in the system, it doesn't seem very efficient...

Dang ynp1, I'm awaiting an answer here. When you said "lowering out", I assumed it must have been while cleaning. When you're leading and preparing for a pendulum or tension traverse, isn't it just plain old "lowering"?

I'm sure there's alot I don't know about aid climbing... so I'm anxious to know what you meant.

512OW, you are right you know nothing... it was for a pendulum. the point was it was not a fall that broke it... but you still fall when it breaks. if you are lowering out and the point breaks you will fall. gravity happens all the time...

if you want to learn something just ask... im sorry i kept you up late. i will try to respond sooner..

ynp1 wrote:512OW, you are right you know nothing... it was for a pendulum. the point was it was not a fall that broke it... but you still fall when it breaks. if you are lowering out and the point breaks you will fall. gravity happens all the time...

if you want to learn something just ask... im sorry i kept you up late. i will try to respond sooner..

Right, so he was just lowering. Not really "lowering out", because if he was "lowering out", he wouldn't have been able to touch the wall to pendulum. Thats the whole point of "out". Maybe up there in the newfangled aid world the vernacular has changed, but in my day, that was just called lowering.

Ok... I went looking to see what the deal was. I have found several examples of people using the two terms as one, though every example I found from credible sources (Long, McNamara, Walling, Anker, Middendorf), uses the word "lower" when talking about setting up a pendulum. "Lower out" is only used for hauling and cleaning.
My question is: Is there actually a time when you have to "lower out" on lead... and how could you do that?