gun
-
woodchuck008
- Posts: 605
- Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:23 pm
Yo!! Love it. Ale 8, boubon and guns. Steep4me, I had a nice little Grindel .380 that you could fit in the palm of your hand. Double action, 10+1 firepower. That little semi auto was a great back up weapon for an ankle holster. Wish now I hadn't sold it off. Big Ruger P-85 is a load with 18 magazine +1, and .45 is too heavy to carry while in outdoor sports. Neither is going to be dropped by me while biking, that's for sure.
I didn't mean to say that I go around dropping my pistol. I just am aware that when one is mountainbiking, one could crash, not to mention all of the bouncing over rocks and roots. That's why I like the double action.
I'll look into the Grindle Woodchuck. (wish I had it on me the time the SilverComet murderer tried to tackle me off of my bike!).
Good thing I have quick reflexes. Still--would have been fun to shoot him and prevent future murders.
I'll look into the Grindle Woodchuck. (wish I had it on me the time the SilverComet murderer tried to tackle me off of my bike!).
Good thing I have quick reflexes. Still--would have been fun to shoot him and prevent future murders.Hauling a big ego up a route adds at least a full grade.
-
woodchuck008
- Posts: 605
- Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:23 pm
Actually, you need three guns.
A 22 LR for cheap and entertaining "plinking".
A 12 gauge for upland bird hunting and waterfowl, and to defend the castle, if you really think it might come to that.
A centerfire rifle for hunting of medium sized ungulates and the more "out there" survival scenarios.
22LR - As many have mentioned, your semi-auto 22 needs would be well served (inexpensively) by Ruger's 10/22. I've been down that road, and found that spraying bullets looses it's appeal rather quickly. In the long run, I found the precision offered by a high quality bolt action 22 to be a lot more fun. If you can't justify an Anschutz, consider CZ. Affordable, and superbly accurate.
Shotgun - Remington 870, in 12 or 20 guage, enough said.
Centerfire rifle - Now here's the interesting one. 223, semi-auto? Really? A good AR-15 clone is going to set you back approximately $1,000. And while 223 ammo is realitively cheap (for a centerfire), you can burn through it rather quickly with the AR. Besides that, there's the social aspects, you know, the whole Assault rifle? What do you need one of Those Things for? Don't get me wrong, I think an AR might be a lot of fun, and I certainly don't have any problem with them from any perspective other than expense and the fact that the 223 is a bit anemic for big game hunting. Still, I own a lot of rifles, in calibers suitable for everything from mouse to mastadon, and I still haven't found the need for an AR. My advise would be to get a relatively short barreled, scope sighted, bolt action, in a relatively light caliber, 243, 6MM-Remington, 257 Roberts or 7mm-08, and practice enough to be proficient out to 300 yards. You'll be more than adequately equipped for any realistic "survival" situation. You'll become more of a marksman, rather than the "spray and pray" type, and it will cost a lot less. As far as brands go, Ruger, Remington, CZ, Savage.
If you're set on the 223 (perfect target or woodchuck round, and enough for the humane dispatch of a deer at close range) consider a bolt action CZ. CZ is the only European brand you'll find that is both affordable and highly accurate. Big box type sporting goods stores offer low prices. Enjoy! and don't forget your shooting glasses and hearing protection.
A 22 LR for cheap and entertaining "plinking".
A 12 gauge for upland bird hunting and waterfowl, and to defend the castle, if you really think it might come to that.
A centerfire rifle for hunting of medium sized ungulates and the more "out there" survival scenarios.
22LR - As many have mentioned, your semi-auto 22 needs would be well served (inexpensively) by Ruger's 10/22. I've been down that road, and found that spraying bullets looses it's appeal rather quickly. In the long run, I found the precision offered by a high quality bolt action 22 to be a lot more fun. If you can't justify an Anschutz, consider CZ. Affordable, and superbly accurate.
Shotgun - Remington 870, in 12 or 20 guage, enough said.
Centerfire rifle - Now here's the interesting one. 223, semi-auto? Really? A good AR-15 clone is going to set you back approximately $1,000. And while 223 ammo is realitively cheap (for a centerfire), you can burn through it rather quickly with the AR. Besides that, there's the social aspects, you know, the whole Assault rifle? What do you need one of Those Things for? Don't get me wrong, I think an AR might be a lot of fun, and I certainly don't have any problem with them from any perspective other than expense and the fact that the 223 is a bit anemic for big game hunting. Still, I own a lot of rifles, in calibers suitable for everything from mouse to mastadon, and I still haven't found the need for an AR. My advise would be to get a relatively short barreled, scope sighted, bolt action, in a relatively light caliber, 243, 6MM-Remington, 257 Roberts or 7mm-08, and practice enough to be proficient out to 300 yards. You'll be more than adequately equipped for any realistic "survival" situation. You'll become more of a marksman, rather than the "spray and pray" type, and it will cost a lot less. As far as brands go, Ruger, Remington, CZ, Savage.
If you're set on the 223 (perfect target or woodchuck round, and enough for the humane dispatch of a deer at close range) consider a bolt action CZ. CZ is the only European brand you'll find that is both affordable and highly accurate. Big box type sporting goods stores offer low prices. Enjoy! and don't forget your shooting glasses and hearing protection.
Last edited by L K Day on Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
woodchuck008
- Posts: 605
- Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:23 pm
Larry, thanks for the input. I've actually come to some of the same conclusions. I think I'll get a 22, 12 gauge and high power. Plus a pistol. I have been thinking about bolt actions for the same reasons you mention (plus the fact that a semi is more prone to malfunction) and your input has pushed me more in that direction. As far as the high caliber why the 243, 6mm-Remington, 257, or 7mm-08 over say 30-06 or 30-30? As far as handguns, I'm thinking 9mm, .357 or .40 (semi or revolver?) ... any suggestions?
.40 or 10mm are nice in handguns. Not as common, but a nice balance of power with not getting into .44 or .45 kick. I had a glock .40 for a while and really liked it.
Not being a real expert, but I think the 30-30 and 30 06 are not as strong at longer distances. Would be great for KY deer hunting, but not so much for Elk in WY or MT.
Not being a real expert, but I think the 30-30 and 30 06 are not as strong at longer distances. Would be great for KY deer hunting, but not so much for Elk in WY or MT.
"There is no secret ingredient"
Po, the kung fu panda
Po, the kung fu panda
I like 6mm thru 7mm because of the combination of adequate power, even out to longer ranges, and low recoil. Also, in a "bug out" survival situation, a lot of ammo would not weigh too much. The 30/30 is a classic round, available everywhere, and a 30/30 lever action is pretty compact. It's only real shortcoming is that it's not a long range cartridge, figure 200 yards or so as a maximum effective range.
Never get a 30/06. It's the perfect all around cartridge for North America. With 180 grain bullets it's more than adequate for anything on this continent, with the possible exception of Grizzlies. If you buy a 30/06 you won't have any real need for another centerfire rifle, ever. And that would be a terrible situation
. For this reason, many shooting enthusiasts, myself included are very careful to never make the mistake of buying a 30/06. For as long as we don't have the one perfect all purpose rifle, we can just keep on filling gaps in our armory. Really, I'm only half in jest on this. But to be perfectly honest, the '06 does have one shortcoming, and that is, many would find the 30/06 a little bit more powerful than they'd ever need for anything smaller than elk. You pay for that excess power in recoil. Enough to make target practice a bit less fun than it should be. The .308 is a shorter, slightly less powerful version of the 30/06, is superbly accurate, and would be a good compromise. Powerful enough for big game without punishing recoil. Whatever you buy, make sure it has a nice plush recoil pad. Nothing better for turning a person into a lousy shot like getting the snot kicked out of 'em every time they pull the trigger.
When it comes to handguns, I like double action revolvers, and believe that they are generally a far better choice than a pistol for most people. They are simple, and for that reason, safe. 357 is the way to go. Practice with .38 specials for the lower recoil. I own six revolvers, but only one pistol. It's a Glock in 40 S&W. It's a terrific handgun.
Never get a 30/06. It's the perfect all around cartridge for North America. With 180 grain bullets it's more than adequate for anything on this continent, with the possible exception of Grizzlies. If you buy a 30/06 you won't have any real need for another centerfire rifle, ever. And that would be a terrible situation
. For this reason, many shooting enthusiasts, myself included are very careful to never make the mistake of buying a 30/06. For as long as we don't have the one perfect all purpose rifle, we can just keep on filling gaps in our armory. Really, I'm only half in jest on this. But to be perfectly honest, the '06 does have one shortcoming, and that is, many would find the 30/06 a little bit more powerful than they'd ever need for anything smaller than elk. You pay for that excess power in recoil. Enough to make target practice a bit less fun than it should be. The .308 is a shorter, slightly less powerful version of the 30/06, is superbly accurate, and would be a good compromise. Powerful enough for big game without punishing recoil. Whatever you buy, make sure it has a nice plush recoil pad. Nothing better for turning a person into a lousy shot like getting the snot kicked out of 'em every time they pull the trigger.When it comes to handguns, I like double action revolvers, and believe that they are generally a far better choice than a pistol for most people. They are simple, and for that reason, safe. 357 is the way to go. Practice with .38 specials for the lower recoil. I own six revolvers, but only one pistol. It's a Glock in 40 S&W. It's a terrific handgun.
Last edited by L K Day on Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
woodchuck008
- Posts: 605
- Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:23 pm
30/30 lever action carbine, the saddle gun of the old West would be a nice up-close rifle for sure. 200yds is plenty far. I like my 9mm just for the huge capacity mags, but agree the knock down of a .40 is nice to have. If you're not a marksman, then go for the volume of many shots with the 9mm. Revolvers are simple, but limited in number of shots, clumbsy to reload.