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I once saw someone fall at the anchors of sunshine. They got there but didn't have enough left to clip them. Between rope stretch and pulling the belayer way off the ground there was only a couple feet left.

ive been kicked by the leader while belaying someone on that route and who fell while at the anchors......

Truth is, climbing is dangerous. Hell, for that matter, life is dangerous. The attrition rate is somewhere around 100%.

clif wrote:nuts. i'm just not sure how this happens. i was lucky enough to be introduced to climbing by learning the ropes from an experienced climber outside. my guess is this kind of approach to climbing is from an indoor introduction?

maybe mentoring becomes more popular, of commercial guiding and instruction...

after about 1998 our sport became attractive or sexy or something like that - then the crowds came and came and came and came - more and more and ....well you know. There are so many people out there now that i will only climb during the week or on a trip to the west where people are more spread out. These kinds of accidents are going to become the norm until we lose access to public land climbing one day.

come on KD..is that the best excuse you got for not climbing the last two years..it's too crowded?

KD wrote:

clif wrote:nuts. i'm just not sure how this happens. i was lucky enough to be introduced to climbing by learning the ropes from an experienced climber outside. my guess is this kind of approach to climbing is from an indoor introduction?

maybe mentoring becomes more popular, of commercial guiding and instruction...

after about 1998 our sport became attractive or sexy or something like that - then the crowds came and came and came and came - more and more and ....well you know. There are so many people out there now that i will only climb during the week or on a trip to the west where people are more spread out. These kinds of accidents are going to become the norm until we lose access to public land climbing one day.

Very well said and I totally agree!

man, and I thought I was old and crusty.....whine, whine, whine...

I'll climb no matter if its legal or not. Theres way more of us than there are of them. What are they gonna do? Post up cops at the cliffs to arrest climbers. Never happen. If they did make it illegal It would definately thin the crowds a bit so Illegality is not ness a bad thing from my perspective. As far as requireing that people take classes to buy gear.. thats stupid.. How are you going to enforce it. You gonna confiscate gear because someone doesn't have there belay card. You'd get your teeth knocked out. People love freedom. The freedom to go out and do anything they want. Hell, climbing itself is scofflaw! I mean you are shaking your hand in the face of the LAW OF GRAVITY! So maybe a little legislative action would be warranted at this point.
That shit ever happens for real and I'll free solo the capital building in Frankfort and knock a hole in the roof and repell into the legislature in protest...what a hoot!

are you going to get upset if people start railing you again

krampus wrote:are you going to get upset if people start railing you again

now you already know the answer kramp......

clevis you can't mean that- don't you remember all the grief that Potter got for gasp... going rockclimbing- if your gonna break the law take an illegal immigrant with you because laws don't apply to them and besides who needs a drivers' license or insurance when you'll get free healthcare if needed LOL