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Diggler,

I guess this is a give and take world. I don't take bags at the grocery store; but when my life depends on it, I do give a few extra dollars to Black Diamond.

Powell,

Many things have changed since the review you have posted. I am pretty sure that the C4s are now lighter and have more range than the trango cams. And all of the C3s have bomber cam stops.

To all,

I would agree that BD is pricey, but there testing has proven them selves over the years. They make some of the lightest, smoothest, strongest equipment available on the market today. The C3s have greatly reduced the need for aliens in pin scars. The C3s have nearly taken nut placements away! When I am 50ft run out over a cam, I am quite thankful I spent the extra cash!

Diggler wrote:i'm saying that you can get cams a lot cheaper than those Chinese made, OVER PRICED,double axle pcs of crap!!!!
Why would you support a company that moves production to China to save money, but increases there prices to the consumer?

um, because we want them to make money and invest it in further research? just an idea......

If you got, it spend it ! $$$
"A fool and his money are easily parted"
Congratulations, you have officially been influenced by marketing tactics

kdelap wrote: When I am 50ft run out over a cam, I am quite thankful I spent the extra cash!

Is this like a common thing?

Yeah; if you are 50 ft run-out, you shouldn't be thankful, you should be learning how to place gear!

Yeah; if you are 50 ft run-out, you shouldn't be thankful, you should be learning how to place gear!

Where are these marketing tactics that you speak of?????

Who all do you know that works for these companies?

How many days a year do you spend testing gear?

How many days do you climb a year?

Diggler, do you sit at a computer all day???

Diggler wrote:Yeah; if you are 50 ft run-out, you shouldn't be thankful, you should be learning how to place gear!

Ok by this comment I now know you do not climb. And I think that others will agree. Go back to typing!

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you but to answer your questions...
Who all do you know that works for these companies? more than you
How many days a year do you spend testing gear? 5 days a week
How many days do you climb a year? Approx 208 days

Now how about you? 8)

Great! So fill us in! Don't leave us in the dark. I want the best gear possible. What kind of data do you have. Wait...

If you test gear 5 days a week how do you climb 208 days a year, just asking?