rope size

Post by **Cleveland** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:28 pm

B.J. wrote:I think the Freino is such a gimmick. Why spend $30-40 when you can put a $5 non-locker on your leg loop and accomplish the same task?

I second that, also I don't like the way the Freino clips into the belay loop.

Post by **Andrew** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:35 pm

get the 10.2 it will last longer.

Post by JR » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:27 pm

B.J. wrote:I think the Freino is such a gimmick. Why spend $30-40 when you can put a $5 non-locker on your leg loop and accomplish the same task?

Sure. Like having rope through the gri-gri to your leg then to your hand doesn't seem gimmicky.WTF Do you also anchor yourself to the ground with webbing tied to the back of your harness? How can you put a price tag on this shit? $30. $5. $100. Whatever.Priceless... I say.

Post by JR » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:38 pm

Hey josephine, I can not say for sure because my ropes came from different companies(each place might use different stuff to coat their ropes to make them dry ropes). But in my experience the dry ropes, regardless of size, have been the ones that get a bit squirrelly lowering climbers. This slippery "dry" surface does dissipate, making lowering normal with a gri-gri.

Post by **ynot** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:01 pm

If you are just looking to save a few bucks,don't buy a thin cord to use with a gri=gri knowing your partners outweigh you. Spend the money for a rope you'll be happy with. You want at least a 10 . Leave the skinny cord for the crazy alpine mountain climbers

Post by **B.J.** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:37 pm

JR wrote:Sure. Like having rope through the gri-gri to your leg then to your hand doesn't seem gimmicky.WTF Do you also anchor yourself to the ground with webbing tied to the back of your harness? How can you put a price tag on this shit? $30. $5. $100. Whatever.Priceless... I say.

Are you implying that I think the technique is gimmicky? Because I don't. I think the Freino itself is a gimmick.

I put a price tag on this because 1) I have a limited budget, and 2) I don't want to waste my money on stupid shit. If you know a reason why I should get a Freino instead, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I'll continue to redirect off my leg loop and save my money for something more worthwhile...like an Alpine Equalizer

Post by **kdelap** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:42 pm

The freino biner is a great tool and can also be used as a auto-locking top belay device. The only thing irritating other than the price is its inability to slide around due to the second gate.

A dry rope is worth the few extra bucks. It will make the rope last longer due to its ability to keep water, dirt and grime out of the sheath for a while.

I have only used 9.5 and lower ropes for the last 2 years and have found no longevity issues. I put 20,000 ft on a brand new mammut rope last month including jugging a big wall on it and it is still looking great. I also belayed most of this with a gri-gri and had no issues.

I have a 9.2 mammut rope for redpointing and have found no issues with the gri-gri catching the falls(which are a lot!)

Post by **Andrew** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:00 pm

How much do you weigh. I would use skinny ropes if I weighed 150 or less, but I am 180. I think repetitive falling while sport climbing and being 180 will wear out a rope. My 10.0 sterling marathon doesn't stretch much any more.

Post by **Jay** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:26 pm

I've belayed plenty with skinny ropes through a gri-gri, and haven't ever really had any problems with feeding or locking, but I definitely had a scare when a friend lowering me on a new Beal Joker w/a gri-gri let about 25 feet through the device too damn fast for comfort. The super skinny cord (9.1) and dry coating were NOT a good combo.

As for the Freino, I've always just used a biner through the leg loop, but wouldn't mind trying one out if I got the chance. (Then again, $30 is a bottle of 4 Roses...)

Post by **kdelap** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:43 pm

I weigh about 165 lbs