now you are wrong SCIN.....politics are ruled by AE, and pigsteak corollaries take care of any of the grey areas in climbing.
I'll let you guys hash out your opinions for awhile, but then the definitive answer to this illusory question will be bestowed upon the masses. Your world will never be the same.
Okay, I'll change things. The definition of a 5.x climber is someone who climbs 5.x on a regular basis between onsite and a couple of tries. Hence there are many people in the world who have climbed 5.14 but very few 5.14 climbers.
Yo Ray jack dynomite! Listen to my beat box! Bew ch ch pff BEW ch ch pfff! Sweet!
how do you protect 5.xx offwidth in your equation? or is this secretly showing your feelings that trad climbing is twice as important, and worthy of respect, as sport?