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Yeah...so, when does Miguel's close for the winter? And, along those same lines, any reccomended places to camp in the winter around the Red when Miguel's isn't an option?

usually miguels closes after thanksgiving weekend. you can still camp there (i have at least) you've just got to bring your own water and drive to the rest stop to poop. bring some wood and stay in the Monestary with a nice fire to keep you warm at night. and pay Miguel for the camping when you see him next.

Yeah, at Lil Abners!

weather and temps are overrated

ha, season being over in november. our climbing season does not start till then. thats not by choice but usually works out well. you get used to it and learn a few tricks to help keep you warm. of course living here its easier to take advantage of pretty much every pretty winter day and resting on ugly ones

pawilkes wrote:usually miguels closes after thanksgiving weekend. you can still camp there (i have at least) you've just got to bring your own water and drive to the rest stop to poop. bring some wood and stay in the Monestary with a nice fire to keep you warm at night. and pay Miguel for the camping when you see him next.

i asked sarah when they closed last weekend and she said the weekend after thanksgiving was the last weekend they were open. so Dec 2 and 3rd.


as for paying for camping there during the winter, you could always just slide two bucks under the door.

there is also a sweet place to camp near left flank/miltary as long as you get your FS pass.

mcrib wrote:Tell all your gym buddies that its way too cold when you get back I've had my fill of the thick crowds for 2006.

That's why I hate this thread.

winter climbing? break out the loin warmer.

I used to go into a red rage when I'd overhear people say, "Well, the season's almost over. I'll see you in the spring."

Pansies...

But, like has already been mentioned...the crowds go away, they migrate to the gyms for the winter and they'll come honking back in the spring, flying in V formation all the way to Miguel's parking lot.

I love the silence of winter here. It's yet another reason why winter is the best season, no people...

Here is my opinion.
Climbing hard and having fun are not necessarily one and the same. For example, most days, I would much rather pull my ass up some routes in the shade in 60 degree weather and then work on my tan on a nice rock in the sun. Just more enjoyable. Don't get me wrong, you can climb in the 30s. You can climb in just about any temperature. But is it fun? Freezing your ass, off, not feeling your toes in your shoes, getting dark at 5 and not knowing what to do for the next 7 hours, waking up in the morning and wanting to shoot yourself instead of gettin out of your sleeping bag? Is it all really worth it for getting that ego boost from sending your project?