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RRO wrote:....climbing IS NOT owed to us, its not free and it not a constitutional right . all i can say is get involved or dont bitch when your favorite route/crag is closed.

Felt like that needed to be said again.

Donations to Muir are never solicited but are gratefully accepted from those who realize that it takes a great deal physical effort and money to build and maintain the infrastructure required to offer a free climbing venue of this size. We continue to welcome climbers who do not feel inclined to make a monetary donation or volunteer effort. We are pleased with the donations during the first three years of MV’s existance – especially generous donations of labor and technical expertise as well as money.

What we are not pleased about is the blatent lack of respect for MV’s rules and guidelines by many climbing visitors. Here is an actual quote of a recent written message to Liz and me from a well-recognized climber at Muir: "[We] climb bec traditionally there are no rules involved in climbing. We climb to get away from a week of "organized" rules and management so it is an obvious turnoff to have to deal with the same shit on the weekends..."

One example: Last Sunday, six out of six dogs we saw in the valley were off leashes.

Want to see Muir stay open to the general public? Please read and follow our rules and guidelines. And, remind others who just don’t seem to get it.

Thank you,

Liz and Rick
owners

6 out of 6 off leashes. That sad. Respect people, respect for the land you use. Its really a simple rule that shouldnt have to be said over and over.

Leave the dogs at home sometimes , especially if you go to a crowded place that has offical dog rules. If you have to take your dog to the crag then go somewhere "dog friendly" and less crowded. We have a dog and he is pretty much our child but we leave him home more often than not. I know this is not possible for some people traveling to climb and if its not then maybe Muir is not the place for you to climb and if you have to go to Muir and you have to bring your dog leave it on a damn leash like the land owners request. Simple rules that if followed will keep areas open, and if not followed........ well I think we all will see what happens when simple rules cant be followed.

As I said before, I think most people on this board and who have been around for a long time do follow the rules for the most part. If we want these areas to stay open then we all have to be involved and help keep the "rules" in place. If you dont like "rules" in climbing then go off the beaten path and hunt obscure climbs like I do.

Maybe we should open up a dog lot for people to leave their dog when they go to places where the dogs are restricted.

Mark will sometimes watch your dog if he is hanging around Miguel's, for a small fee. It may be better to just keep your dog on a leash, or have someone watch him/her at home.

sorry, looks like gunks is state park. The "preserve" part confused me.

different state.

In Ky if you charge someone to recreate on your property then you are liable.

I'm in HUGE opposition to all the political rules and crap that have crept into climbing as of late....

BUT.....

Private land is private land. If a landowner is courteous enough to allow climbing on their property, then follow their rules. Period. There shouldn't even be discussion.

The sad fact is that a large percentage of climbers are idiots who don't give a damn.

That said, I'll gladly climb on FS closed routes.....

domtizr wrote:sorry, looks like gunks is state park. The "preserve" part confused me.

Yep and rock climbing is banned on state parks in Kentucky. So sad.

So again folks, realize that climbing isn't free.

i disagree that climbing isn't free.. but only slightly. and mostly based on technicalities

zwan in endless summer wrote:freedom isn't free
unless you learn how to give

anyway, i still hope this is just a big melodramatic fit that ends up leading to more caution than restriction.

512OW wrote:
That said, I'll gladly climb on FS closed routes.....

your the reason god kills kitty cats.............you suck