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the OW section on the Quest is definitely the easiest pitch on the route...its maybe a 5.9+. Maybe...and I'm stretchin it.

What a badass Mr. Vedauwoo must be. So the route as a whole gets 9+? If not, which section is harder?
I'm not suggesting The Quest be uprated; the specialists would be up in arms. As Artsay stated, this type of climbing is a learned technique and is not something at which most rock climbers are proficient. That said, the climbing found on B3 is more similar to what most people are used to and therefore easier. It's one thing to not be able to do a move but to not even know how to try and do a move is something altogether different.

Relative to other OWs I've been on I'd agreee with 512OW assesment. The first pitch is 10 something so the last pitch would be the lowest in terms of grade. I don't think he was bragging -- just stateing what he sees as the truth.

ninesixfour wrote:

the OW section on the Quest is definitely the easiest pitch on the route...its maybe a 5.9+. Maybe...and I'm stretchin it.

What a badass Mr. Vedauwoo must be. So the route as a whole gets 9+? If not, which section is harder?
I'm not suggesting The Quest be uprated; the specialists would be up in arms. As Artsay stated, this type of climbing is a learned technique and is not something at which most rock climbers are proficient. That said, the climbing found on B3 is more similar to what most people are used to and therefore easier. It's one thing to not be able to do a move but to not even know how to try and do a move is something altogether different.

Yeah yeah....and you're a bigger idiot than I expected. Every section is harder than the last pitch, but I already said that. So, no, it shouldn't be 9+...it should be 10c, just like it is.
You're right, the climbing on B3 IS more like what most people are used to.....but that doesn't mean its easier. It just means that most people are deficient at offwidth climbing...you included, apparently.
You should probably stay in the gym where you can make routes fit your strengths. Good luck with it.

No need to get ugly over a beautiful route. Every route is different for each person who gets on it. There is nothing wrong with that.

For me it was the second pitch which pushed me outside of my comfort zone. The rest of it was the most memorable:
The hanging belay - feeling solid with two good friends, pulling out of the roof and going for a head jam into the ow (that was kewl wasn't it morgain?), the offwidth, fit me well, and was nothing but pure fun - similar to gettig to the jugs at the top of a balancy face climb.

Oh and the roof at the top of the first was pretty fricken rad. Man the whole thing kicks ass!

Now, part of why it was so fun was cause I tr'd the whole damn thing.
Thats a killer send 964! Heres hoping it will be just as quality of an experience when I'm bold enough to lead it!

I'm never surprised at how the anonymity and distance provided by a bbs like this one makes balls grow pumpkin-sized and egos swell to Napoleonic proportions. Just so you know OW, 964 has been in a gym since,well, off-widths were "in". And that's great that you are "proficient" at your precious specialty. Let us stand back while you stroke you ego, and whatever else you decide to massage in your spare time (and don't bother with the stand back or massage jokes because they're played, playa). Neither AM or 964 said the thing should be up-rated! They just said it was hard, period. You blasted them for being honest! Lame.
Oh and if I was proficient at something antequated I too would come on here and blast awayrandomly just to stir shit up. Hey Ray, I'm a stud at DOS commands. Are you impressed?

Brian

512OW wrote:Yeah yeah....and you're a bigger idiot than I expected.
You should probably stay in the gym where you can make routes fit your strengths. Good luck with it.

HILARIOUS!!! Actually, like BT suggested, you're the idiot (But I still worship you). Chris has been climbing for over 15 years... and he probably hasn't been in a gym in the last 13. And he's probably one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet at the cliff.

But hey, it's all about insulting other climbers, isn't it Kris???

Jack

The Quest has been at the top of my list for a long time. Just a little out of reach. All this squabbling just makes me want to get on it sooner.

Anyone who thinks wide crack climbing is obsolete should attempt a big wall route. Almost any wall route, anywhere in the states. If it's big, it's going to have some offwidth on it. If you can't climb wide cracks you can't climb big routes. If you don't have at least some level of proficiency on wide cracks, you are not a proficient climber, period. Alternatively, someone should tell Tommy Caldwell that what he's doing is just so pass'e.

Climbing wide cracks is impressive, make no mistake. I have respect for the talents of those that are capable. But it is no more impressive than other disciplines. OK, maybe to OW climbers it is. So let's be honest. It is not exactly the favor of the month.

And I'm not going to ramble off the climbing resumes of the aforementioned because it is lengthy, but it is a HUGE stretch to call them unproficient. Is Shaq unproficient because he can't shoot free throws? Didn't think so.

Obsolescence abounds in this thread you silly chuffers.......