Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:16 pm
I did, but I already knew that several of them were Greg's routes...Christian wrote:Meadows, okay,okay but other than you. who would take the time do do such a thing....?
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:20 pm
Bryan thanks for the calrification. Rick thanks for keeping climbing safe in Muir Valley. There thats the end of it!!!!!! GEEEZZZZZZZz
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:23 pm
and kitty cats
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:32 pm
forget it - the post was pointless. 
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:32 pm
I read Rick's post to be clear, concise, unemotional, and to the point. IMO, Rick probably has enough going on than to have to carefully wordsmith his posts around here so as not to upset anyone.
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:39 pm
Yeah, Wes, but other than you and meadows ......Wes wrote:I did, but I already knew that several of them were Greg's routes...Christian wrote:Meadows, okay,okay but other than you. who would take the time do do such a thing....?
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:40 pm
but puppies a little bit more
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:52 pm
I too was at the Solarium this past Sat. Two bolts did come totally out under gentle finger pressure. Both were close to the ground. They did not come out under a fall (Thankfully), but could have. The hole for the 12d 3rd bolt was beyond salvage with a 3/4 in hole.
So, there are two problems. Bolts coming out, probably from lack of tightening when put in, and holes wollowed out to much, possibly due to using a weak drill that allowed excessive movement when the hole was drilled.
Two factors that independently make the bolt placements fundementally not trust worthy. I certainly understand the need for Team Muir to drop back and reassess any route that might have these qualities.
I too would be defensive if this happened to me. It is an indictment of one's technical abilty. Sorry... It has to be done.
So, there are two problems. Bolts coming out, probably from lack of tightening when put in, and holes wollowed out to much, possibly due to using a weak drill that allowed excessive movement when the hole was drilled.
Two factors that independently make the bolt placements fundementally not trust worthy. I certainly understand the need for Team Muir to drop back and reassess any route that might have these qualities.
I too would be defensive if this happened to me. It is an indictment of one's technical abilty. Sorry... It has to be done.
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:57 pm
Ditto.meetVA wrote:bryan i didn't read rick's post that way either.
although by both posts one can see that the poster's feelings have been hurt.
i just hope time heals and we can all get back to what it is about. climbing.
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:29 pm
dang..more drama, and piggie didn't even start it. bryan, did you offer to go fix the stated routes, with or without a Team Muir representative present, to certify you?....seriously, maybe offer to fix your unintentional train wreck...that'd be a start.