Roadside Issues - Grant Stephens

Post by **Wes** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:40 pm

For actuall trail work, I think the best course might be to close/block the current scramble to Roadside attraction and use a trail that comes back along the cliff line from near AWOL, or use the spur trail that heads to the far left routes and do some work on that. I am not sure the current scramble can be saved. The motha area needs some love, and the trail where it goes under 5 finger discount needs some real love, or it might not even be there before long. Then 5.10 wall, while losing a lot of dirt, is pretty rocky, so just maybe a few timbers near the edge of the drop off to help keep the dirt that is there in place should be OK. The tree can go without to much extra impact. The slab wall is in pretty good shape, thanks to the work John, Hugh, and company did (in the rain) already. Just a little touch up here and there should be all that is needed. The far left routes don't get that much action, and I don't know that they need any work.

Post by **Crankmas** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:50 pm

nice assessment Wes

Post by **corduroy** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:55 pm

rick
pm me if you could
id like to help

thanks
rob

Post by **Spragwa** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:02 pm

The last time I was at Roadside, the trail going up to AWOL looked as though it were eroding at a fairly substantial rate. I thought then that a civil engineer or someone with expertise in that area might know how to shore up that side of the cliff. It was not too bad to rebuild under C Sharp or B Flat because it was on a slope. What concerns me is that the trail is eroding down the side of the cliff. Repairing that is what I think might take more skill.

Post by **Meadows** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:04 pm

I think Rob, i.e. Corduroy, would be great assistance for this project since he is a geologist and he voluteered his services.

Post by **captain static** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:50 am

I was just made aware that the discussion about this project had moved into this public forum. I will provide what input that I can from a civil engineering standpoint. I honestly have not been up to Roadside for years so will need to go up and take a look. One idea I have had in the back of my mind for serious erosion control problems like this is the use of geosynthetic reinforcement. I have contacts with manufacturers of such products and have thought that they might be willing to donate factory seconds to such a cause.

Post by **kneebar** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:17 am

captain static, I'm not trying to brow beat or point fingers but perhaps its not a bad thing when these types of things go into a "public forum". I did a quick look on the RRGCC website trying to locate a reference to areas that need a little or a lot of tlc like roadside. This might be a stupid question but is there some form of non-public analysis of the condition of all the crags in the gorge public and private?

Post by **the lurkist** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:35 am

I agree with Wes and Rick. I think this is probably the biggest most involved project to date for the Red. It needs a CE/ project supervisor and an approach that takes trail building to a new level. The area from Road Side around past Motha will need so serious reinforcing. I am thinking tiered retaining walls and long pieces of steel driven down, etc. Re directing the trail and shutting down the existing scramble up to Road Side Attraction. The area under the ten wall will require some attention. Down hill reinforcing timbers bolted to the ground to arrest further sloughing of soil.
What ever we do, it needs to be on an excessive degree of over engineering b/c we all know how much use RS gets.

Post by **the lurkist** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:42 am

Grant and John going to such lengths buying this beloved but fairly haggard and climbed out (as far as new route potential) piece of property is one of the most selfless acts of altruism benefitting the climbing community.
What would we have done without Road Side? It would have been a very dark day.
Thanks. I hope we can take care of it.

Post by **captain static** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:47 am

kneebar wrote:captain static, I'm not trying to brow beat or point fingers but perhaps its not a bad thing when these types of things go into a "public forum". I did a quick look on the RRGCC website trying to locate a reference to areas that need a little or a lot of tlc like roadside. This might be a stupid question but is there some form of non-public analysis of the condition of all the crags in the gorge public and private?

Before someone tries to read more into this than is really there all I was trying to do in my post was publically state what I had already committed to privately in regards to this project.