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I think the start is harder now for some reason. I have always considered skipping the last clip but have this awful image in my head of racking myself if I fall.

is heady in spots

Skip the last bolt and you might backflip (I almost did), but that is the beta. Felt 12a ish to me - a little bit bouldery with good rests. Very, Very cool route though, and with new bolts (thanks to Terry), it is a must do at the grade.

that was the other thing was that I kept thinking I would fall directly on the old Porter bedframe hanger that was the last bolt. Maybe the new bolts are just the change I need.

I also have heard that some of the better holds have broken off of Too Many Puppies although I was never on it before the last 2-3 years, if Ro is a 12a then Too Many Puppies is a 12b, even if Ro is an 11d then TMP's would be a hard 12a

Every climbing area has that one feel good route for the grade and Ro is it for the Red. Campusing the monkey bars on a school playground is harder than that route. 11c at best

12a right on. it's not quite as tough as infectious but slightly harder than wild yet tasty (11d) and stay the hand (11d/12a). there'll be plenty of argument about it but so what.. maybe just a general 12- rating would do more to silence the debates. when it gets down to letters, there will always be disagreement.

I gotta agree with you on that haas, ro has to be that feel good route in the red. It gets to be pumping as all get out, but its a sweet ride

man this is the whole problem with the online guidebook consensus ratings...to many pussies complaining that they can't climb hard enough and overgrading everything they do manage to send.

i feel very strongly that redriverclimbing.com, ray ellington, rrgcc, and muir valley should leave all route ratings to me, unless i designate someone else (since i can't climb hard enough to rate every route). all in favor say I!

Aye!