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True, that's a contradiction, but I'm also trying to be a realist. Most experienced climbers have a good idea what climbing ethics are all about, but expecting a n00b to pack their feces out is a bit optimistic. Yes, we SHOULD leave no trace, but we also need to be realistic and realize that heavily trafficked areas will always show signs of usage. We should try to keep this to a minimum. You may have a huge challenge getting a first time climber to pack all their waste out, but you can probably get them to pack out their TP, drop trou where a few rains will wash waste away, what gear is okay to take, etc. I know there will always be signs of usage where we climb, but there is a big difference between using a place and trashing it.

I would agree with you. If you have ideas for a poster pm them to me. I think that it is a good idea, and will work on it.

marathonmedic wrote:
I wonder if gym owners might be willing to put up some sort of poster about climbing ethics. That way people would have a chance to learn about the values of our community as they learn about our sport.

Leave no trace.
Booty vs. project gear.
Climb in small groups and don't "save" climbs for your friends.
Never let go of the rope.
Respect the rock and the environment, including not shouting profanities.
Urinate and defecate outside the dripline.
Chalk is for drying your hands, not for writing on rock.
Respect the landowners' wishes.
etc.

add this to the poster:
"If you are reading this you shouldn't climb out side"

j-rock,
then why bolt any 13's and 14's at Muir, if all ascents are ideally "on sight"....what,a re there like 7 people in the world who can on sight at the high end, and I am thinking they don't regularly visit Muir. Sport climbing has moved away from that notion..now people climb for the movement. But to further clarify..if rating at Muir is by on sight, how do I grade a route after each successive attempt? Do I lose one letter grade on each burn? Doing Jesus Wept on my 5th go is 11c, but on burn 10 it is 10b? That'd be a rad way to keep those damn 5.12 climbers humble..."yeah, I just sent the 10b version of Jesus Wept"...

Hmm, not a bad idea...in one sentence you get to spray, and the world gets to know how many times you had to go up and brush and moan that the holds were too greasy or over chalked...

chester wrote: Ive fantasized about going to the load and stealing all the booty...but then what in the hell would I do with a bunch of draws?

Start a keychain business?

ZSpider

Here's one solution - take out the clipping biner from the draw and slip a master lock in there. Lock the sucker to the bolt, and at least they'd only get the end carabiner, and they wouldn't cut the draw.

Good luck clipping the lock, carrying the weight, or remembering the combination though...