The Mayor

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In Redriver Ruckus, do you think that Spencer portrayed people from E. Kentucky in a negative light?

Yes, Spencer should die.
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18%
Kind of, he should have left it out.
4
8%
Kind of, but it was pretty cool.
9
18%
No, the people on the video were just being themselves.
27
55%
 
Total votes: 49

Paul3eb
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Post by Paul3eb »

weber wrote:But, there is a small hard core group of contributors to this forum who get their kicks by shocking our pants off with their Bevis and Butthead sense of morality and their proclaimations that vulgarity is hilarity. Ironically, and as you well know, these posters are, in real life, some of the nicest folks you will meet anywhere. But, give 'em a keyboard, and Dr. Jekyl becomes Mr. Hyde.
wow.. ok. first, i think you're jumping to conclusions about people and things you don't know. get past the battle cries and the jokes and get to know spencer and i think you'll get a different sense of who he is. i'm not claiming by any means that i "know" him but i've seen glimpses of his serious side, his respectful side, and it's bigger than you might think if the only time you've seen him was on the top of a burning pyre. second, i and others don't get out kicks by shocking your pants off with our "beavis and butthead morality". and frankly, i'm offended.. which is fine in and of itself. but i don't think you're seriously considering who these people are and what they are saying.

think of this: an artist paints a picture of a naked fat lady. three people come by: one had a fat mother who was ridiculed, one is fat and doesn't try to lose it, the other is normal weight and always was. the first walks up to it and is offended that someone would display the horrors of obesity to the public so that people might point and laugh. the second sees it and thinks it's a beautiful statement of one person's security in themselves and who they are. the third looks and sees a skillful painting work with large brush strokes and emotion. so.. who's right? who honestly saw the artist's intentions? did any of them see what the artist felt or wanted to portray? i think the answer is no. we all take a mindset into the situation that affects the way see the world and alter the meanings of certain sayings and actions.

hopefully you still have your pants on.. ;)
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Post by StephyG »

Well said Paul!
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Post by Meadows »

Paul, he said a "small group of hard core contributors" which is very true, but that doesn't mean you. :wink:

I think what ticks me off mostly is the speculation that you all have of the Mayor's thoughts and opinions. We don't know if he was offended or not. Some say it looked as though he were enjoying himself, but others say he looked annoyed or not interested.

Hugh's points are valid, but I think the opinions that should matter most are the people he pointed out as well as other people in the area, especially anyone who knew the Mayor past a superficial five-minute conversation at the Chevron. I'm from a town not much different from Slade and I know if that if it were my grandpa (who's English might have needed subtitles for you city folk) I would've requested Spencer to do things differently.

Paul's analogy is good because there is an art to interviewing, especially where culture aspects are concerned. Spencer certainly was going for a laugh a few times, but his intentions were not to offend and probably didn't realize the opposing views he'd receive. It can be tricky to find a good balance sometimes; it's all part of that concept called learning. Kudos/Criticism/Suggestions are all helpful in that regard.

Besides in art, it's better to have bad opinions/outrage than nothing.
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Post by Christian »

I think everyone here has a point of view that is valuable; I sense much growth here.
I have been gone for awhile(11 months) but it is good to be back here. I missed the passion all of you brought to this site.
I also am moved by the depth of compassion and empathy that has been expressed.

None of us is one-dimensional.
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Post by weber »

Regardless of Spencer's intent, everyone will view this video differently. Locals will be offended and embarrassed. Young climbers will find the pyrotechnic fruit hysterical. And, all of us will find the actual climbing sequences to be breathtaking with spectacular videography.

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Post by Aenima »

I know if that if it were my grandpa .....
I would've requested Spencer to do things differently.
But you shouldn't speak for your Grandpa.
Its a shame that we can never know from The Mayor himself how he felt.

To each his own.
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Post by Artsay »

I haven't seen the video yet so I don't have an opinion.

But this reminds of the time my old friend, Banjo Joe, told me one night that he hated that show the Kentucky Hillbillies. I grew up on that show and LOVED it! When I asked him why I learned that he saw that show as demeaning to Kentuckians and thought it totally degraded them.

Maybe this is just a perspective issue?
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Post by kato »

Sure it's a perspective issue- look at a bacon and eggs breakfast. The chicken has a different perspective than the pig.
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Post by weber »

kato wrote:Sure it's a perspective issue- look at a bacon and eggs breakfast. The chicken has a different perspective than the pig.
:lol:
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Post by ynp1 »

well i just happen to know that Ray wants to put a picture of the mayor in the new guide book... is that wrong of him to do? i dont think so, and i also know that spencer didnt mean anything bad by putting him in is video. maybe if you knew spencer alittle better then you would know where he is coming from.
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