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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:25 pm
by pigsteak
meetva..people would do that?
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:29 pm
by meetVA
yes and not just me!
it is good to read that not everyone out there is an elitest climber and that most on this thread are pretty cool-headed. i agree with paul's, jb's and laterus's comments.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:47 pm
by meetVA
not that i'm a super leader by any means of imagination, but...leading does afford someone the ability to go and climb despite their partner's ability. so in that sense i would encourage people to lead more. usually the toprope isn't going to get there by itself...
then again, i've seen loads of people leading with the help of a stick clip. so are they then leading? no, they are toproping b/c they need to work through a cruxy section.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:59 pm
by Sunshine
It counts if it is more dangerous or scarey to second. Otherwise it is just logging mileage. I top rope for me. Are the anchors opposed? Watch me! Got me! Up rope! Emergency take!
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:21 pm
by pawilkes
the poll question is kind of jacked. it suggests that there is a hard and fast anwer to the question and i think we've established by now that there is none. i don't consider top roping on something that is reasonably safe to lead a send, others do and thats fine.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:32 pm
by Roentgen Ray
Top roping definitely counts, if your a chique.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:39 pm
by Roentgen Ray
Just being facetious on the above comment. Most women climbers are fantastic and much better climbers than I ever aspire to be. I think that the desicion to TR or lead is ultimatley the climbers. I will often encourage the people I am with to lead a route, if I think it's in their range. On the otherhand, I have often encouraged people to TR routes, avoiding much stress and possible mayhem for all parties involved. Now would I count a TR send as a redpoint. Usually not. If it's a TR route: yes, if it's trad: not any more but I did when I was a newbee, if its a route that is near my limit but bolted: never. I feel that if you can climb it clean it on TR, you should lead it clean.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:48 pm
by Steve
Count for what? Toproping?
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:16 pm
by Andrew
Joe was the best toproper ever.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:41 pm
by strum
no freaking joke.
all the dissing of climbing styles these days is making me want to not talk to anyone anymore.
if it is fun, if you like it, if it doesn't hurt anyone, climbing it, and feel good.
I thinkn a lot of people need to rexamine their reasons for climbing like they do, is it for you? or to impress someone else....
for me I need to rexamine my spelling
