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I agree with the 'convinience' becoming a problem and I really feel strongly that you shouldn't alter a route once the FAer put it up without permission. Roadside is filled with altered routes, Valor Over Discretion, Fadda, Pulling Pockets, FFD, etc.. (although Johnny gave permission for Valor). That being said, it is ROADSIDE. What do you expect, that place is the epitome of convinience. And why not have a crag like that where 70% of the weekend crowd is concentrated at. As Wes said you can see the F'n road from the top of all the routes. It's hard to feel like you are on an adventure when you can see your buddy on his way to the beer store drive by in his Jeep Cherokee. What I want to know is why hasn't Milkin' the Chicken seen a rebolting yet?

I agree with J-Rock, and active database would be nice....

Flashed it, thought the traverse was dumb, haven't been back.

You are just trying to contrive an *adventure* experece where there isn't one. Something to do with the chip on your shoulder, I think.

Wes

For good ole' adventure climbing, you should head out to Bee Branch Rock. Long, wandering approach, sketchy routes that haven't seen an ascent in years, maybe longer, and absolutely no crowds. Perfect

And my anchor building skillz? Ha, I have done some adventure routes, built some anchors, and had fun doing it. Hell, I am dying to go to whiteside soon to do the OR. Want to swap pitches? I will even take the scary and/or hard ones.

Wes

wes, budha would not be happy with your anger and annoyance. breathe. relax.
ascehtionist, jesus would not be happy you are so worried about a couple bolts when you could be saving souls.
jb, nobody wants to hear your sarcasm

What chip would that be, since you are obviously such an expert on my character flaws?

You know, I don't really care. Have your bolted anchors. Have your dummed down recreational experience. Have your RRGCC and your CAC.

You are totally missing the point about a contrived adventure experience. That's what it originally was and it has been eroded into something not unlike a city park. I'm talking about preserving what is still there. Not even restoring it to what it used to be.

I don't know the route you're talking about Wes, but I'm in, but I couldn't promise giving up all the hard pitches though...

I want to go hit VMC Direct Direct up at Cannon Cliff in New Hampshire this summer if you're interested. I can't find a partner for the damn thing, somehting about it's reputation, being old school, yadda yadda

Whitesides sounds fun. Been wanting to go there for years. Just too many other things have gotten in the way.

When?

haas wrote:For good ole' adventure climbing, you should head out to Bee Branch Rock. Long, wandering approach, sketchy routes that haven't seen an ascent in years, maybe longer, and absolutely no crowds. Perfect

I've been all over the Spaas Creek drainage, biking, climbing, bouldering. There's more there than most people realize.

Going pebble wrestling this weekend, back at the red next, so maybe weekend after that? Unless you all have time off during the week. Although, I have been talking with Bart about a trip there as well already. Have to check and see how hot it is - I think that is a winter cliff.

Wes