waterknots

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vic
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Post by vic »

I don't see why all the fuss... just grab the knot and place it flat in the palm of your hand... then simply place the other hand on top of it (like a sandwich) and rub your hands together like a maniac... open your hands and watch the magic... the knot if open!
So, forget the bombs, the grenades, srewdrivers, jack hammers, and the works... leave those for nut removal after a fall.
! Enough with all that detestation ALREADY !
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dhoyne
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Post by dhoyne »

The rubbing the knot trick works well... I learned that one in Joshua Tree from an instructor.
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Caspian
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Post by Caspian »

vic wrote:It has been known that waterknots will come undone - which is why it is better to check and recheck as your party raps down or something. If you want proof, go to Pistol Ridge, find the route named It's a Wonderful Life, and top out on the x section. You will see a rap anchors at the top... and you will see what an IDIOT has done nearby: Tied a waterknot around a tiny tree... obviously placed to rap down. There is less than 1/4 inch left on the knot... Good luck!
1. The tree is too small.
2. The knot doesn't have enough tail.
3. There is no redundancy on the system.
4. That's just too many options for errors to take place.
5. There are rap anchors at the top... USE THEM!
Just a thought. If I see something that is unsafe that someone else has done, and its within my ability, I try to either make it safe or remove it. ie....with webing that looks like someone might use it and kill themselves, I try to either fix the problem, or cut the webbing and throw it away(and replace it if its an established rap station). Its kinda just like picking up trash at the crag.
andy_lemon
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Post by andy_lemon »

Vic, you scrawny little punk... wait till my big ass leans on your webbing. You rub one out for me will ya? :lol:
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vic
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Post by vic »

i'll pass... though I know a place where you can get rubbed the wrong way...
! Enough with all that detestation ALREADY !
Smile & be thankful for what you have.
Sunshine
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Post by Sunshine »

I often use a double dog-knot. It will not come undone until you pour a bucket of water on it.
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OZ
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Post by OZ »

Those knots are kind of funny. Ya just can't help watching to see when they will come undone on their own.
andy_lemon
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Post by andy_lemon »

vic wrote: though I know a place where you can get rubbed the wrong way...
:shock:
Not a bitch.
Larry Day
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Post by Larry Day »

I was always appalled at how many loose knots, short tails, incorrectly tied knots, etc., that I saw on people's racks.

1)First, you simply must tie the knot properly, they're all in the books.
2)Leave sufficient tails.
2)Clip in to something overhead, extend with slings to a comfortable level, just inches off the ground is best, step in the sling and bounce. This will get them tighter than a bull's ass at fly time.

To untie, try these in ascending order.
1) As others have said, simply roll the knot vigorously between the palms of your hands. Most of the time this is all that's required.
2) For a knot that's still too tight, place it on a hard surface, step on it and roll it under the sole of your shoe.
3) If even this doesn't work, again place the knot on a hard surface and gently massage (pound) with a piton hammer until the offending knot is loose enough to untie. It doesn't stand a chance.
vic
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Post by vic »

Good point larry... and don't forget #4:
4) If all above fails, cut it, burn it, and re-use it!
! Enough with all that detestation ALREADY !
Smile & be thankful for what you have.
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