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SikMonkey, If you read the info on rrgcc.org it tells you in one statement that all the entire MPP is open to climbing but then goes on to say that they do not own the base of Arena and Oil Crack( and every thing in-between) BUT they do not say don't climb there.

It typical RRGCC...not clear

My whole rant is about info not being available anywhere else but on the web pages...that just not smart

I feel sorry for the people I saw paying $400 for routes at the Arena and Oil Crack during Roctoberfest.

Artsay wrote:Someone asked about climbing at these areas on the RRGCC.org site and Terry answered it with. "I say use your own judgement and remember to park in the designated lot down from the Motherlode."

Artsay, no offence to Terry but that is a dumb answer! It's either open or not! I think this should be back and white!

Rhunt, the kiosk at Miguel's was updated prior to the weekend so the information pertaining to the Arena, Oil & In-Between was avaliable for those who traveled. FYI.

Artsay, We are still woring out the parking for future so like we have posted on our website please use the TEMPORARY parking!! And Palease. We are just spoiled, bottom line. Most climbing spots do require a hike in so what's the big deal?

I agree with you, rhunt. The whole situation is very confusing. Honestly, I read Terry's answer to mean just to be smart. Don't bring a lot of folks there and be sensitive to the situation if you see oil workers there or what have you. Your car isn't there so you can't get towed and I don't know if they can fine you. I see it as Terry's way of not saying "no".

I can see it now...
You're on belay and Meadows is climbing. An oil worker comes up and starts hassling you. Meadows "takes" and you put your full weight on the rope and lift up your feet off the ground . You say, "OK, are we cool NOW?".

Hahahahaha ... me climbing. That's funny.

So who does own the ground and why wasn't it included?

Gretchen wrote:Artsay, We are still woring out the parking for future so like we have posted on our website please use the TEMPORARY parking!! And Palease. We are just spoiled, bottom line. Most climbing spots do require a hike in so what's the big deal?

Yea, Gretchen. I know I'm such a lard ass and hate hiking and all. Forgive me for being such an idiot!

Yea, I'll be parking in the Motherlode parking area because I'll be climbing at the Motherlode. And if I feel like going to the Arena I sure as hell won't hike an hour down and up and down and up and down and up a gravel road to get there.

Ya know, I appreciate all the efforts of the RRGCC but I don't appreciate the condescending "climbing is all about the adventure PEOPLE!!!" attitude. Keep smoking your cigarettes...

Rhunt,
I did read the RRGCC's page and I personally took it to mean pretty much what Terry said: "use your own judgement". Personally, as much as I want to, I think I will avoid the areas that are not owned by the RRGCC until further notice. This is because when it all comes down, if you are on someone else's land without permission, you are tresspassing. I think a lot of the people that come to the Red have no real concept of "property lines" as they pertain to mountainous land. There are usually no fences, gates or distinct lines marking property boundaries so it's hard to say whose property you are on at any one time. One thing that is stated on the site is that they (the RRGCC) don't own the ground at the base of the cliff and if I am standing on that ground, or even cross that ground without permission, I am tresspassing.

Mj

<lurking and laughing my ass off>

why is this so difficult? 95% of the climbing is OPEN 365 days a year..why can't people just choose to NOT climb at those two crags until things get cleared up..I guess we are a fast food nation..gotta have it yesterday.

Feel sorry for people paying $400 for a route? Are you kidding? If that offends you Andy, then I would suggest you stay entirely off of the Murray purchase. I get sick of people bitching who refuse to back it up with cash and/or sweat equity. (BTW, I know Rhunt has put up cash, so Rhunt, bitch away)

Relax, and go climb on the 750 other routes that were available before you even heard fo these crags.