Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:51 pm
region
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:57 pm
routes, climbing, region
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:34 pm
Figured as much Sik, just seems like you get a little too focoused sometimes.
Not that that ever happens to me. Ooooh noo!
Not that that ever happens to me. Ooooh noo!
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:35 pm
Yes I AM! WHOOOOO! 8)
Mj
Mj
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:57 pm
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 7:42 pm
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 8:08 am
My late grandfather was one of those hard working "jackass oilmen" so watch your mouth. They do work on weekends and they barely scrape by sometimes. You ought to have more respect for hard working people. Are you currently employed JH? I mean, other than your full time job posting on here?J.H. wrote:Those jackass oilmen don't even work on the weekends! so what the f !! :x
Climbing is pretty insignificant in the whole scheme of things. Go somewhrere else and get over it.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:06 am
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:56 am
Consider the following:
The oil company has entered into a contractual agreement with the landowner to obtain the mineral rights. Within this agreement is language establishing the right to extract and remove from said property the minerals found beneath the surface and to do so without hindrance from the property owners or associates of the property owners.
Now my guess is the oil company falls into one of two categories. They are making a tremendous amount of money and will not tolerate hindrances or they are barely squeaking by and cannot afford hindrances.
Therefore: If I was consulting for the oil company I would advice them to do the following:
1) Post no trespassing signs. This means only those individuals invited on the land by the owner are allowed there. Therefore: if they are on the land, they must have had permission by the landowner and therefore affiliated and associated with the landowner.
2) Document every instance of blocked roads, jacks, and valves. Include lost man-hours, production and revenue. Include any documentation that establishes the mentality and nature of the individuals creating the hindrance. Any negative conversations between workers and climbers would need to be documented including what was said, descriptions and names if available along with date and time.
3) Upon establishing enough documentation, bring or threaten to bring a lawsuit against the property owner or future property owner for the lost revenue, damages and breach of contract. Regardless to rather or not the landowner is a non-profit, once they purchase the land they now have assets. If the oil company can prove that they have been unjustly hindered, they have a case to go after these assets.
I always preferred to settle out of court. But then, I was always dealing with organization that had available cash to settle. Putting a lien on the property may not work; therefore this might have to go to court in order to liquidate the property and to reach a cash settlement.
So JH say what you want. Just know the potential play. And every bit of documentation counts. Also keep in mind that although it may be overbearing, it may be totally legal, the courts will decide what is legal. Anyway, once I had you in a defensive position, you would be to busy trying to counter my documentation to worry about legalities.
So take my advice, you may want to stifle your aggression. I for one have spoke out about the issues of land management. But the decision has been made to go forward. Let us not blow it for everyone who has worked and is working to make this possible.
The oil company has entered into a contractual agreement with the landowner to obtain the mineral rights. Within this agreement is language establishing the right to extract and remove from said property the minerals found beneath the surface and to do so without hindrance from the property owners or associates of the property owners.
Now my guess is the oil company falls into one of two categories. They are making a tremendous amount of money and will not tolerate hindrances or they are barely squeaking by and cannot afford hindrances.
Therefore: If I was consulting for the oil company I would advice them to do the following:
1) Post no trespassing signs. This means only those individuals invited on the land by the owner are allowed there. Therefore: if they are on the land, they must have had permission by the landowner and therefore affiliated and associated with the landowner.
2) Document every instance of blocked roads, jacks, and valves. Include lost man-hours, production and revenue. Include any documentation that establishes the mentality and nature of the individuals creating the hindrance. Any negative conversations between workers and climbers would need to be documented including what was said, descriptions and names if available along with date and time.
3) Upon establishing enough documentation, bring or threaten to bring a lawsuit against the property owner or future property owner for the lost revenue, damages and breach of contract. Regardless to rather or not the landowner is a non-profit, once they purchase the land they now have assets. If the oil company can prove that they have been unjustly hindered, they have a case to go after these assets.
I always preferred to settle out of court. But then, I was always dealing with organization that had available cash to settle. Putting a lien on the property may not work; therefore this might have to go to court in order to liquidate the property and to reach a cash settlement.
So JH say what you want. Just know the potential play. And every bit of documentation counts. Also keep in mind that although it may be overbearing, it may be totally legal, the courts will decide what is legal. Anyway, once I had you in a defensive position, you would be to busy trying to counter my documentation to worry about legalities.
So take my advice, you may want to stifle your aggression. I for one have spoke out about the issues of land management. But the decision has been made to go forward. Let us not blow it for everyone who has worked and is working to make this possible.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:37 pm