What makes it classic?

[Andrew]

It's a classic if you have to wait in line to climb it and it's covered in chalk. Everyone you know has climbed it or wants to climb it and the spray about it is insufferable. On a trad route, it's been buffed to a high gloss, not a speck of dust on it, and no adventure left to be seen. On a sport climb... well everyone knows there is no such thing as a classic sport climb. Just fun moves covered in a layer of chalk and man-slime.

You are not from around here are you. Even the chosspiles are covered in chalk and people spray about them... Same for trad

No, not from around there. I have visited a couple times and done a bunch of routes. I would say 90% of them were fun to very fun, but 0% were classic. The spray you've got there is so pervasive it is downright humid.

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Speaking of spray... you are good at it. Subtle, but good.

[climb2core]

No, not from around there. I have visited a couple times and done a bunch of routes. I would say 90% of them were fun to very fun, but 0% were classic. The spray you've got there is so pervasive it is downright humid.

I usually love a good chalked up climb so I know where to put my feet and hands but good grief it's a bit much down there. I think the most interesting climb I did was Hakuna Matata.. mostly because it had almost zero chalk on it and required more than forearm fitness.

Still, you guys got a good thing going down there. Truth is I did most of the classics here years ago, and now find myself enjoying weird munge piles with foliage and actual friction. The only trick is convincing people to climb them with me.

Speaking of spray... you are good at it. Subtle, but good.

Hakuna was good, but I felt that Soul Ram was a much more fulfilling and classic send.






(Ok, I didn't send SR. But I just practicing spray for when I can. Need to be more subtle?)

[dustonian]

There are dozens of face climbs in the Red at least as good as Hakuna and Soul Ram.

[pumpout2004]

I think Andrew and Graniteclimber are going to go find some dank, forgotten climb (like altar boy's dilemma) to felate one another under.

[graniteclimber]

I think Andrew and Graniteclimber are going to go find some dank, forgotten climb (like altar boy's dilemma) to felate one another under.

I am always looking for someone to do that with.

Thanks for the kind words, and accepting a mention of Hakuna Matata as spray. I didn't think it would fly as a mere one two minus in this land of 135lb sport men.

I sort of wish I had tried more of your techy vert stuff... but I climb that shit all the time out here. It does seem to be highly regarded in the Red though? All Things Considered got 4 or 5 stars in the guidebook? What comedians you fellows are!

[dustonian]

Do you enjoy spraying because part of the stream hits you in your own face, is that it?

[bcombs]

If you didn't like All Things Considered you're doing it wrong.

[dustonian]

People who climb mostly granite have dimunitive Johnsons, so they only like big, long routes like those on El Capitan as a form of compensation.

[graniteclimber]

If you didn't like All Things Considered you're doing it wrong.

I liked it... but 5 stars? Really?

[graniteclimber]

People who climb mostly granite have dimunitive Johnsons, so they only like big, long routes like those on El Capitan as a form of compensation.

I don't do many routes... going more than 3 pitches is so much fucking work. Or there's just too much 5.9 up there. It does make my johnson look bigger though.