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Communication is definitely key. Of course, the message, or content also becomes important. People need to feel that their buck is needed and will contribute directly to a successful outcome. Not sure if you saw the post on the other thread about the research done on how to effectively get people to contribute, but I think if we take those points into consideration, it will help get people to donate.

rohr wrote: So, that’s why Muir, PMRP, and other places can’t charge a small fee. If they did charge a fee, it would have to be large enough to cover the costs of additional maintenance of the land and liability insurance. By way of example, when I visited the Gunks this past spring, daily admission was $17 per person per day.

As a long distance out-of-towner and sub-12 climber (which is to say that I am part of the problem at the Red), I would be more than happy to pay $17 to climb at Muir or PMRP (although I would want a much better road for PMRP with a fee this steep) if that was the end-game. Don't you know how much money I pay to go to the gym?

we need shiner's hats and little cars to drive around the parking lot collecting money

krampus wrote:we need shiner's hats and little cars to drive around the parking lot collecting money

I will pay $17 to see that!

So can anyone tell me how I can get in touch with an insurance carrier who will carry a policy on an outdoor wall? Please and thankyou.