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why don't you post photos of your tomato garden, then?

Taking pleasure in describing an animals "quick" 2 minute death... dislike. Joe pretty sure if you were shot in the lung, and walked around for 2 minutes before collapsing and dying, you would say it was at least a little painful.

Finding a way to provide for your family and hunting for the just the kill, sportsmanship or not... like.

aburgoon wrote:firearm + tree stand = poor sportsmanship

Going to the grocery + buying a steak = even poorer sportsmanship

you guys are making me hungry

I don't know what to say about the animals death or getting shot. I've neither died nor been shot in the lungs. I have been punched in the ribs and it hurt. given enough time I might experience one and I definately will experience the other...we all will. Philosophically speaking for something to live, something else has to die. Whether its a herbivore or carnivore even the plants in the garden feeding off of the decaying matter in the soil. Something has to die for life to happen.

I would like to say that for an animal to live free and die at the apex of its existence. Thats a noble animal dying a noble death. Would you have prefered it to die of some disease or mal-nutrition because it became to old and feeble to feed itsself? Or better yet, get cut down in traffic?

Assuming you are responding to me...

I have no problem at all with the taking of life to eat. I do it every day I eat a hamburger, just the lazy man version. However, in your OP took great detail to describe how the animal died. It did not seem to give respect to the giving of that life to sustain your own. Thats all.

Yeah dude, it should have been like in Avatar, you wound it then get right in its face and tell it about how its going to a better place and thank it for feeding your family.

When I said it was "elegant" I didn't mean me just shooting the deer. I meant that his death was elegant and moreover, It was a lot of things coming together at the right time for the death/life to happen. I spent alot of time fomenting the gun, the cartridge and the charge. More so than what is apparent. I have been working with this caliber for about 4 years as a thought exercise and planing my terminal ballistics. I wanted a round that was universally available, was able to be loaded up to full house and would be effective and which could also be loaded subsonic and not have to have a suppressor and would also be economical to shoot. The 38 special/357 magnum/357 maximum fit the bill nicely. They all use the same bullet which is the .357 I can get commercial bullets from 110 grains up to 250 grains. Thats a huge difference. I can use lead alloy or copper. I can use evething from shotgun powder to rifle powder. I can even change my primer from small pistol to small rifle. It costs me about $.04 to shoot a lead bullet and I can shoot a copper bullet for about $.10 Not bad considering. Oh yes, I almost forgot. I can even use black powder! So to say that this particular idea is the universal cure all is more true than anything else.

So when I say elegant, I should say that there was an emotional release on my part because I have alot invested in this working, time money and effort. I am in school for Mechanical CADD design so that I can work in the field of small arms development and cartridge design. To be able to shoot an animal and for it to be humane and quick and relatively painless (most of the time when you shoot a deer, the noise will scare the shit out of it and it will run. This didn't even startle the deer.) And see my ideas bear fruit. It was alot for me. It was elegant.