Reducing the Impact: Brainstorming

[climb2core]

Where do you buy spandex, I could be ready by next weekend

Oh, I am pretty sure there is no need to buy... Just ask Lurk, I bet he puts that shit on at least once a month just to remind him of the good ol' days

[dustonian]

I heard he still wears the tights under his "doctor" outfit!!

[kneebar]

rip the bolts off of everything under 5.10

that would thin in out quite a bit.

Right......that would really help at the load

[kneebar]

Unfortunately, it is the same horse that gets the beat down. Too many climbers, too many dogs, too much poo, trash, etc. We could try and make this into some kind of check box but it's way above my pay grade.

So how do you reduce the climbers?
"A" -Anyone living outside 50 miles of the red is forbidden (this will be a popular vote)
"B"- Anyone living INSIDE 50 miles of the red is forbidden (may not be as popular as "A")
"C"- Burn all guidebooks, (sorry Ray, but somebody has to take the hit, seriously it has to be your fault), send internet worms to destroy all associated info, kill or lame anybody that has climbed or heard of the Red, Gorge, whatever.
"D"- Remove the bolts (seriously, traddies don't do any impact right)
"E" -Educate the climbers.......HA!

Dogs?
"A" -Kill the dogs (I'm starting to feel a bad vibe coming my way)
"B" -Kill the owners of said dogs (Still have bad vibe, surprisingly not as bad as option "A", sorry Ray double wammy dude)
"C" -Educate the owners......HA!

Poo?
"A" -just don't
"B" -Poo in a wag bag dispose of properly
"C" -smear your feces all over the nearest dog or better yet a puppy (Again, sorry Ray this is going really bad for you)
"D" -Educate the climbers.....HA!

Trash?
"A" do we really need to talk about it
"B" Educate the climbers.......HA!

[Rotarypwr345704]

I've run in to quite a few groups that say they haven't been to Muir since dogs were banned. They "would never go climbing without taking my dog." No offense to Fido, but I would enjoy the crags a little bit more if I didn't have to share it with dogs.

[Isaac McShane]

it simply has to become not cool anymore. once we pay off the pmrp we should stop promoting the red all together. Talk about how cool it is in colorado and the gunks and such. Then, we thin out the current crowds by acting really weird and such by laughing awkward times and sketching people out with homoerotic humor, basically flood the crags with banana hammocks and lycra and they will stop showing up.... eventually, that or lycra will become cool again we'll have completed a full circle.

Or, we could rename all the easy crags and climbs with such condescending and silly names that people would feel self conscious about having climbed there, with no where for the weak sauce climbers to go without being labeled "weak sauce" they will have to stop coming because bragging is no longer an option.

HAHAHA that is deep. I have no jokes or serious ideas to contribute to this thread, I only have the belief that humor and seriousness is imperative. C2C had a profound opening statement about something that is very important to me. As a climber and a lover of the outdoors I can speak only for myself when I say I greatly appreciate the the allowance of various preserves around the Red, I respect the land and it's owners, and seriously want to minimize my impact along with others. I learned to climb from experience spread over ten years, not a climbing "crash course" at the gym. It's true the increase of climbers is caused by it's popularity and "cool factor"... You can thank Ray E., or for that matter thank National Geographic and Outside magazine, both of which have featured articles about climbers in the past couple issues. As with all fads, the bandwagon jumpers won't last, but the popularity of a climbing mecca will never decrease once it's known to the public. I observe that, but to reiterate, I have no solution, nor do I think there is a cut and dry solution other than the aforementioned proposals. So in closing I will post my one statement that I hope others will follow, because afterall, it's nearly impossible to break a whole bundle of kindling, but anyone can snap a passel of individual twigs:

I'm requesting someone wiser than myself point me in the direction of how and who to contact regarding volunteering at Muir, or PMRP. As a frequent user of the land I feel and obligation, and even more an honor to do my part in preservation other than ranting online. I have skills that could be utilized anywhere from landscaping to trail maintenance. I am a hard worker and willing to learn. I'm not applying to be the head of maintenance for the RRGCC, but instead I don't care if I spend one Saturday a month picking up litter. Can somebody tell me what's the most effective method of volunteering? Thanks

[ted]

it simply has to become not cool anymore. once we pay off the pmrp we should stop promoting the red all together. Talk about how cool it is in colorado and the gunks and such. Then, we thin out the current crowds by acting really weird and such by laughing awkward times and sketching people out with homoerotic humor, basically flood the crags with banana hammocks and lycra and they will stop showing up.... eventually, that or lycra will become cool again we'll have completed a full circle.

Or, we could rename all the easy crags and climbs with such condescending and silly names that people would feel self conscious about having climbed there, with no where for the weak sauce climbers to go without being labeled "weak sauce" they will have to stop coming because bragging is no longer an option.

HAHAHA that is deep. I have no jokes or serious ideas to contribute to this thread, I only have the belief that humor and seriousness is imperative. C2C had a profound opening statement about something that is very important to me. As a climber and a lover of the outdoors I can speak only for myself when I say I greatly appreciate the the allowance of various preserves around the Red, I respect the land and it's owners, and seriously want to minimize my impact along with others. I learned to climb from experience spread over ten years, not a climbing "crash course" at the gym. It's true the increase of climbers is caused by it's popularity and "cool factor"... You can thank Ray E., or for that matter thank National Geographic and Outside magazine, both of which have featured articles about climbers in the past couple issues. As with all fads, the bandwagon jumpers won't last, but the popularity of a climbing mecca will never decrease once it's known to the public. I observe that, but to reiterate, I have no solution, nor do I think there is a cut and dry solution other than the aforementioned proposals. So in closing I will post my one statement that I hope others will follow, because afterall, it's nearly impossible to break a whole bundle of kindling, but anyone can snap a passel of individual twigs:

I'm requesting someone wiser than myself point me in the direction of how and who to contact regarding volunteering at Muir, or PMRP. As a frequent user of the land I feel and obligation, and even more an honor to do my part in preservation other than ranting online. I have skills that could be utilized anywhere from landscaping to trail maintenance. I am a hard worker and willing to learn. I'm not applying to be the head of maintenance for the RRGCC, but instead I don't care if I spend one Saturday a month picking up litter. Can somebody tell me what's the most effective method of volunteering? Thanks

+1
pm me when you bunch of gossiping women decide to quit posting threads and do something

[krampus]

pmrp spandex day, next saturday. Don't make me the only one..... please

[DriskellHR]

Issac, www.rrgcc.org

joel, i WANT PICS!!

[Meadows]

Isaac -

Just as Driskel pointed out, keep tabs on RRGCC.org or if you are on Facebook, "Like" the RRGCC to stay abreast of happenings. The RRGCC has a trail day coming up in August that brings in around 100 people and then there is a big party following, complete with a killer band. Contact Matt Tackett if you have some other things in mind.

Muir Valley has also a killer trail day where even more people show up and I believe there is a great party following. Fuzzy on the details but Rick or Liz Weber also provide info through here, the Muir Valley web site and Facebook.

Glad you want to help! Spread the attitude!