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Meadows wrote:Glad some of you agree with the signs. I'm on it.

Its a pity thats what it comes to. People suck......

i think a sign that says something to the effect of:

"thousands of people may poop where you poop--think carefully, etc etc" would be more effective than the conventional "leave no trace" message that seems to lose its effectiveness on people. who knows. i'm a fan of short & sweet. maybe a cartoon, even?

Right on, no tedious moralizing, just brief and to the point: DO NOT SHIT HERE ASSHOLE and if you must, do NOT do it under a roof and TAKE YOUR TOILET PAPER WITH YOU or BURY IT 12+ INCHES

at least bears are responsible in the woods....

dustonian wrote:BURY IT 12+ INCHES

That's what she said?

Signs...signs..signs. big plastic signs saying "don't dump here"....

dustonian wrote:Maybe a little sign in that area telling people that this is NOT ok??

Meadows wrote:Glad some of you agree with the signs. I'm on it.

Good luck with your signs. We had numerous signs for several years at Muir, including some specific enough to point out that "Leave No Trace" included toilet paper and hygiene supplies. One of the worst spots continued to be 5 feet behind the sign at Bruise Brothers.

Finally in desperation last year Rick and I built restrooms at the parking lot. I resisted for a couple of years, because the last thing I wanted to do was clean up after the mess people leave in public restrooms. But finally I agreed, that perhaps it was better to clean up one location than all over the valley.

Those restrooms have gotten very heavy use, to the extent that they have overtaxed facilities. In May we had to have water hauled in because water used to flush toilets consumed more between rains than the 1100 gallon capacity of the cistern in our water collection system. We also had to have the septic tank pumped that month. Hmm... they're getting us on both ends.

In spite of the heavy use of the restrooms, abuse of the Valley by climbers relieving themselves in inappropriate places continues. Caves and cliff overhangs may give the illusion of more privacy, but they do not get rain or enough sun to be cleansed. And NO place in the Muir Valley is an appropriate place to leave toilet paper and other material that responsible climbers would pack out with them.

sendit wrote:fucking euro's

Yeah. Wish I could find someone else to blame, but I'm afraid that the vast majority comes from good 'ol American climbers.

Liz Weber

Liz_Weber wrote:In spite of the heavy use of the restrooms, abuse of the Valley by climbers relieving themselves in inappropriate places continues.
Liz Weber

This is beyond sad.

but surely no one is really amzed by this stuff..we have been going round and round and round with these issues for ever....for ever. climbers, as a whole, are selfish, entitled kids in a big playground. they'll take and take and take, and rarely give back more than they take.

I, for one, do not subscribe to the "climbers are some of the nicest people I know" philosophy. If that is the case, you need to meet some new people. climbers are just a subset of the general population, with all the same self absorbed world views as everyone else.

Nope, this stuff doesn not amaze me anymore.

Too bad poison ivy won't grow in those spots. But, coils of razor wire might work.