Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:58 pm
Yea, TheMayor, I'm gonna be fixing that soon.
So why are small signs on trails such a big deal
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:00 pm
I agree the paint on trees was just plain wrong, but we do have signs at the base of crags in the national forest. Those signs were installed because climbers and non-climbers alike couldn't follow directions and learn the rule for this particular climbing area before they left their cars.
So why are small signs on trails such a big deal
So why are small signs on trails such a big deal
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:00 pm
The first time I went to Oil Crack I hadn't been to the Red in 7 years. I found it rather easily with directions. Anyone who gets lost is a loser. (Just kidding 
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)Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:03 pm
Where, in the Red, do we have signs at the base of crags?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:05 pm
If climbing is supposed to be SO adventurous, then why have an online guide with directions? Why not make cars off limits in the southern region and make people hike to the crags? Now that is an adventure. Hike a few miles, then climb, then huff your lazy butt back to your car! Everyone wants the crag right beside the road AND also be adventurous? HA!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:05 pm
rhunt,
I know the Red is not RMNP, but my point is that if you want to have everything laid out perfect for you like Disneyland, to quote Jeff, then go to Disneyland or the climbing gym where you pay to have TR's set up and a nice air conditioned place to climb. If you want to get outside and commune with nature then go craging at the Red or wherever.
I know the Red is not RMNP, but my point is that if you want to have everything laid out perfect for you like Disneyland, to quote Jeff, then go to Disneyland or the climbing gym where you pay to have TR's set up and a nice air conditioned place to climb. If you want to get outside and commune with nature then go craging at the Red or wherever.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:11 pm
Jeff, Left flank and Military both have signs near the cliff telling people not to camp or build fires near the rock.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:12 pm
Power2U,
Gots ya!!
Gots ya!!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:15 pm
Even in RMNP there are signs directing people (climbers and non-climbers) to areas. There are lots of places that have signs directing people to cliffs-Seneca, Wild Iris, Rumney, etc. The signs aren't meant to take away from the adventure just to help in keeping people on the right track. The adventure is in the climb. If you really want adventure then you go alpine climbing, but this is the Red. Hell there are tokens with the route name and grade bolted to the bases of some of the climbs here.
However there is a discrete way to post a sign that doesn't detract from the wilderness experience.
However there is a discrete way to post a sign that doesn't detract from the wilderness experience.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:28 pm
Having a sign at the start of the trail for military and Left Flank is hardly a sign at the base of a cliff. There is also an information kiosk there. I would think that this signage is there because it is THE most heavily used area in the red for climbing. Can you imagine what the place would look like with no signs?
Is that waht you want Big Sinking to look like?
Eric, I've never seen a token with name/grade at the base of any climb around here.
Why does one climbing area need to be compared to another? Isn't the uniqness of diferent areas what is so apealling? Most areas have their own ethics that have been formed over many years. Many people chose not to respect these local ethics and do whatever they want or feel like doing without any regard to what it does to the area as a whole. What a shame.
Is that waht you want Big Sinking to look like?
Eric, I've never seen a token with name/grade at the base of any climb around here.
Why does one climbing area need to be compared to another? Isn't the uniqness of diferent areas what is so apealling? Most areas have their own ethics that have been formed over many years. Many people chose not to respect these local ethics and do whatever they want or feel like doing without any regard to what it does to the area as a whole. What a shame.