Unpublished sport climbs

Post by **ahab** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:19 pm

wes, that was not directed at developers, but at the salivating masses.

Post by **Wes** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:21 pm

ahab wrote:wes, that was not directed at developers, but at the salivating masses.

Ah, no worries.

Post by **schwagpad** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:22 pm

Toy wrote:What are you doing DH? I never took you for one to stir the shit pot.

Stirring the shit pot? I'm not interested in outing the "secret" crags. I know why some of these places aren't published. There are some that noone has climbed at for years, and don't have access issues, so noone would presumably give a shit if other people resurrect.

Anyway, I probably like to stir the shit pot more than you think...Hmm....lets try this one: RED TAGS ARE BULLSHIT!

Post by **Der Revir** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:32 pm

Why someone would put forth the effort and expense to develop a cliff and not want anyone to go there? I guess if there are access issues, but otherwise this makes no sense....

Yea guy i climb at a crag where maybe a handful are welcome people are entiteled to do whatever they want with their own land. how about you buy some land and do whatever you want with it. Its not that they dont want people climbing its just they well.... dont want choads like you michael.Pssssh whos counting anyways lame

Post by **ahab** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:38 pm

super secret crags by the hundreds. have at em boys.

Post by **clif** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:42 pm

unemployment sounds so good right now.

Post by **lena_chita** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:06 pm

michaelarmand wrote:
SCIN wrote:I know of a large cliff with many routes that I won't publish because the developer doesn't want it to be published.
Why someone would put forth the effort and expense to develop a cliff and not want anyone to go there? I guess if there are access issues, but otherwise this makes no sense....

Various reasons. maybe they want to keep out the crowds, only invite selected people THEY like to go there.

Maybe they've had someone snatch an FA from under their noses before, and are now paranoid about sending their projects before anybody else gets a wind of them.

Maybe they just like the idea of having their own secret place. You know, some kids like to have their own hide-out holes-- and sometimes never grow out of it.

Whatever the reason, I have no problem with it. There is a lot of rock to climb. I've been to some 'secret' areas-- not at the Red. Some of them vere quite nice, but Rock is rock. Eventually secret areas stop being secret. News leak, friends who were taken there come back with THEIR friends, people get tired of that secret spot, start developing a new one and don't care so much about keeping the other spot secret.

Post by **clif** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:07 pm

"At the east end of the park are 500-foot cliffs known as White Rocks."

http://www.nps.gov/cuga/naturescience/g ... ations.htm

Post by **Meadows** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:12 pm

Secret crags or not, there's lots of untapped potential in Kentucky. So, throw down some cash to the RRGCC's PMRP payment so we can focus on that potential.

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Post by **mike_anderson** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:00 am

I've definitely stumbled upon some unpublished crags in my wanderings around here. Most seem to have questionable access and/or just aren't that good looking. I think one motive for keeping a crag hush-hush is to develop the routes in the hopes that access will later be taken care of. You certainly wouldn't want to publish info if access wasn't solid. I'm sure there are people who have bolted stuff on forest service land, or even the PMRP before it was the PMRP, thinking that the access would get figured out eventually, and they wanted to beat others to the punch.