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Wes wrote:If you talk enough shit about me and/or team suck, and kiss his ass enough, he will probably even give you a valley floor pass.

Nothing like the smell of fresh derailment in the afternoon.

This is me not posting to this thread.

Taking the time to point out how poorly everyone has handled this topic would be about as useful as me stating rifle season for quadrupeds on the PMRP now starts in Oct and runs through Sept.

For the record I have never asked anyone not to cuss around my kids, tell vulgar jokes, smoke pot etc. . . .

On second thought you enlightened ones are so right I am so insanely selfish to ask people to obey the posted regulations about dogs. And I can't believe that I am raising my kids in the outdoors instead in front of an Xbox. Wow I see the light!!!

for the record wes, kids don't make me alter myself.


i'm just not legally allowed at the same cliff.

i was at the crag. i saw your kid. it's a crappy situation, no doubt. no sympathy here, though. too young for the crag, no doubt.

kids don't understand the risks of being at a crag--they'll follow their parents anywhere. and whether you've been climbing on sandstone for 30 years or not does not make you immune to things out of your control. i've been hit by falling branches as well as rocks. there was a tremendous ice storm this past winter and left a lot of snagged dead stuff in the air (they're called WIDOW MAKERS for a reason). said widow makers will be there for years, too.

whether you endorse an unleashed dog or not, you should at least have the foresight to anticipate that they'll be there. especially at drive by!!!

I would say that the persons who so vehemently defend dogs in the gorge are young and do not have children. That is probably a good thing as they are not mature enough to handle the tremendous responsibility that is involved with raising children.

I used to ski with my children in a backpack all the time and I constantly got shit from people who thought I was being irresponsible. I was not being irresponsible, I was introducing my children to a way of life. I would much rather see someone bring there child to the gorge than leave them at home with a sitter while they are off climbing.

Maine, you have every right to bring your child to the crag. You should not have to be concerned that he or she might get mauled by a pack of dogs whose owners allow them run amuck.

I really don't care what people's opinion of children at the crag are and at what age . . .

The bottom line is that dogs should be leashed PERIOD!

I have had a dog eat all my food out of my backpack,
piss on my backpack,
was there when Mark, Miguel's son was bit in the face by a dog when he was about my older girls age, had my husband chased by a Rotweiller . . .

Again, this thread is not about whether a child(ren) should be at the crag. And regardless of your feelings about my daughter at the crag the fact remains that dogs should be leashed. And that if they had been she would not have been in any danger.


Also for those who are too stupid to realize that having her beside me while someone is climbing an overhanging route is the SAFEST place because if someone dropped a draw or rock fell it would fall away. Think when you pull the rope and it falls away from the cliff.

It saddens me to think that this post turned into what I was afraid it would. I refuse to defend my decision to bring my children to the crag. I am not asking others not to bring their dogs but am merely asking that the rules regarding them be followed. Respect for others goes a long way.

Which is really what is lacking here - respect.

Maine, you hit it. You asked for folks to have control over their dogs, and then they turn it on you. Focus people. ( as charlie likes to say) I agree that young children should be in folding cribs away from the rock fall zone, but that is another thread. Justifying an unruly dog (and their unrepentant owner) and then switching blame. naw.

As a dog owner, I am apologizing for those with unleashed dogs. Although I was not a drive by, common courteous would have those dogs on leash when a small child is around, Likewise, good parenting would have your child out of rock fall zone.

Neither were followed that day. We all lose.

btw, everyone loves a martyr...

I too, think dogs should be under control, etc. But, I think you are a typical hypocritical entitled climber - you should be able to do what you want to do and other people are wrong if they some how infringe on that. You could change dog and child in your post and it would still (almost) work. Seriously, if you would just take some responsibility for your child as well. Maybe you could have made better decisions as well as the people with the dogs? Maybe climbing with very small children isn't the best thing? At 6 months, it isn't about them being out in nature as much as you getting some pitches in, so at least be honest about that.

maine wrote:I really don't care what people's opinion of children at the crag are and at what age . . .

The bottom line is that dogs should be leashed PERIOD!

I have had a dog eat all my food out of my backpack,
piss on my backpack,
was there when Mark, Miguel's son was bit in the face by a dog when he was about my older girls age, had my husband chased by a Rotweiller . . .

Again, this thread is not about whether a child(ren) should be at the crag. And regardless of your feelings about my daughter at the crag the fact remains that dogs should be leashed. And that if they had been she would not have been in any danger.


Also for those who are too stupid to realize that having her beside me while someone is climbing an overhanging route is the SAFEST place because if someone dropped a draw or rock fell it would fall away. Think when you pull the rope and it falls away from the cliff.

It saddens me to think that this post turned into what I was afraid it would. I refuse to defend my decision to bring my children to the crag. I am not asking others not to bring their dogs but am merely asking that the rules regarding them be followed. Respect for others goes a long way.

Which is really what is lacking here - respect.