Nevermore

[Wes]

Nice! Of course, the last time I was on the route was before you, or probably 95% of the people on here had started climbing, so I will allow that it might be better now since the sole redeeming feature (the R part with the stoppers cinched on button head bolts) has been replaced with new hardware. Opens it to the masses of gumbys, though as a full disclaimer, I am pretty sure I have only lead the middle pitch, and followed Q on the last one.

PS, I love to climb trad, but only good routes! So, it doesn't make sense to climb choss, when there are a few really good routes out there.

Wes

i like the route. most of it is choss, the last pitch is money and would get done if it were on the ground at fortress or other trad crags.

what i like about it is its not a lowest common denominator clip up with 40 people, 16 dogs a jam box and 3 kids kinda place. you do it for what it is. embrace the choss and all the bad that go with it. its worth it in the end. you dont have many adventure routes up such cool looking features in the red.

dont listen to wes and the other rock snobs. wes doesnt like it cause he cant get tania to hang the rope on it and the base doesnt have room for 52TR's fan club posse or a pc to blog from up top.

enojy the choss and being alone.......

[cliftongifford]

I'm most definitely going to climb it at some point... And no matter what it won't be a wasted day, if I get to be outside and do what I love most, it's impossible for the day to be considered wasted. Raven Rock is awe inspiring just to look at, how could someone not want to climb it to the top? Who cares if it's choss as long as it can safely be climbed?

[overhung]

It's one of the Red must do's in my opinion.

[RRO]

though as a full disclaimer, I am pretty sure I have only lead the middle pitch

it doesn't make sense to climb choss
Wes

hail, hail ! old grand sage wes that has been around since the cliffs grew from boulders.

i thought it was internet decided that you couldnt spray or talk about the route unless you have sent the route. tammy top roping doesnt count wes...

as far as choss goes...... the whole RED is choss sandstone. why do we rope up at all ?

[Wes]

Raven Rock is awe inspiring just to look at, how could someone not want to climb it to the top? Who cares if it's choss as long as it can safely be climbed?

You can very safely walk to the top, check the view then go climb something worthy.

Oh, and the only reason this route belonged in the "must do" was because it used to be a pretty heady lead for the grade. With new hardware is just isn't the same. Go do running down a dream if you want a bit of adventure climbing at the same grade. Or even big country is way more fun.

[Wes]

the whole RED is choss sandstone. why do we rope up at all ?

Because the bouldering is even more chossy?

[cliftongifford]

It really doesn't matter to me what people say about the route, I'm going to climb it anyways. I never asked if I should climb it or not. And please don't call me a gumby just because you have climbed longer than I or can climb a little harder. Just because I can't climb 5.13 doesn't make me a gumby. Assholes.

[bcombs]

I bet this route hasn't been talked out this much since the "cliffs grew from boulders". (That is the most hilarious line I've seen in quite some time )

[Wes]

It really doesn't matter to me what people say about the route, I'm going to climb it anyways. I never asked if I should climb it or not. And please don't call me a gumby just because you have climbed longer than I or can climb a little harder. Just because I can't climb 5.13 doesn't make me a gumby. Assholes.

I mean, it says "gumby" right under your name and all....

[toad857]

touche'