Total Noob Question
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When the rope is run through the anchors and the belayer is belaying from the ground, it is technically a slingshot belay (as others have said trad or sport doesn't matter).
Slingshot belay is not a term that is used anymore except in a guiding/instruction setting, as shown by the "WTF is sling shot?" post, pretty much everybody just calls it top-roping.
When the rope is run through the anchors and the belayer is belaying from the ground, it is technically a slingshot belay (as others have said trad or sport doesn't matter).
Slingshot belay is not a term that is used anymore except in a guiding/instruction setting, as shown by the "WTF is sling shot?" post, pretty much everybody just calls it top-roping.
To further simplify-
Bottom managed site top roping= sling shot "aka" most gym tr setups.
Top managed site TR= belayer at top (like most multipitch belays) belaying and lowering climbers
example: I used the top managed site when I went ice climbing and couldn't start at the bottom because the ice didn't reach the ground. So I lowered from the top and started climbing where the ice started.
Have fun. Be safe.
Bottom managed site top roping= sling shot "aka" most gym tr setups.
Top managed site TR= belayer at top (like most multipitch belays) belaying and lowering climbers
example: I used the top managed site when I went ice climbing and couldn't start at the bottom because the ice didn't reach the ground. So I lowered from the top and started climbing where the ice started.
Have fun. Be safe.
Comfort is a mindset.
I recommend checking out the online guidebook for routes which can be toproped:
http://www.redriverclimbing.com/RRCGuide/search.php
Then you can designate them as so in your book. Or pay off a rope gun.
http://www.redriverclimbing.com/RRCGuide/search.php
Then you can designate them as so in your book. Or pay off a rope gun.
i think paying a rope gun is a better idea. many of those "TR" routes are the result of climbing another route and then setting up a TR from the top of that route. the one time i went to princess arch to set up TR's i had trouble locating where the climbs were. we decided to go somewhere else.
if you're from the dayton, ohio area there's a place in John Bryant State Park that has TR climbing that you can set up from above and then walk down below and climb.
if you're from the dayton, ohio area there's a place in John Bryant State Park that has TR climbing that you can set up from above and then walk down below and climb.
"Unthinkably good things can happen, even late in the game." ~ Under the Tuscan Sun
Heh, when Truello said "rope gun" I thought he was being a smart-aleck. I had visisions of some dude with an air-ram gun that throws rope. "Hey, you think I can 10.5 rope through both of those rap rings in one shot?" 
Josephine, cleared it up for me. Yeah, the thought of asking a better climber at a crag to run my rope up to the anchors for me did cross my mind.
John Bryant, yes I've been there. Can't say much nice about it, other than its close.
Josephine, cleared it up for me. Yeah, the thought of asking a better climber at a crag to run my rope up to the anchors for me did cross my mind.
John Bryant, yes I've been there. Can't say much nice about it, other than its close.
I agree - John Bryant sucks. but it's better than nothing.
another great idea is to contact Red River Outdoors or one of the other guide services for a weekend lesson or go to the U-Climb clinic in September. both will teach you lots of good stuff so that you can get started w/o getting into trouble
another great idea is to contact Red River Outdoors or one of the other guide services for a weekend lesson or go to the U-Climb clinic in September. both will teach you lots of good stuff so that you can get started w/o getting into trouble
"Unthinkably good things can happen, even late in the game." ~ Under the Tuscan Sun
Josephine:
I did Uclimb with a friend last June at the New. Had a blast, so I went back on the weekend of Bridge Day and hired a guide.
I've looked at the Uclimb site to see if they had anything planned for this year, and it looks like they haven't planned anything for this year (or maybe they haven't updated their site).
Truello:
I just picked up a copy of the guide from Wolverine publishing. Now I just gotta get down there.
I did Uclimb with a friend last June at the New. Had a blast, so I went back on the weekend of Bridge Day and hired a guide.
I've looked at the Uclimb site to see if they had anything planned for this year, and it looks like they haven't planned anything for this year (or maybe they haven't updated their site).
Truello:
I just picked up a copy of the guide from Wolverine publishing. Now I just gotta get down there.
they haven't updated their site. not sure what's up with that.
this weekend the new is having their new river rendezvous and has clinics included with the price of admission. could be a good time.
Red River Outdoors offers classes periodically as well. http://redriveroutdoors.com/climbing i bet the other guide services might have something similar as well.
this weekend the new is having their new river rendezvous and has clinics included with the price of admission. could be a good time.
Red River Outdoors offers classes periodically as well. http://redriveroutdoors.com/climbing i bet the other guide services might have something similar as well.
"Unthinkably good things can happen, even late in the game." ~ Under the Tuscan Sun
Here is some more ramblings about toproping:
From what I have learned going over countless climbing definitions from lots of sources, I think top roping and bottom roping, are both really old terms. Bottom roping is when the belayer was belaying from the bottom. Top roping was done when your belayer was belaying from above. I think bottom roping was replaced with slingshot belay, and now it is just referred to as top roping, the opposite of it's original meaning, I blame the gumbies for that one. It's like how the nonclimbing world and gumbies call freesoloing freeclimbing. Even most cavers call it freeclimbing, and here they are freesoling in caves all the time.
From what I have learned going over countless climbing definitions from lots of sources, I think top roping and bottom roping, are both really old terms. Bottom roping is when the belayer was belaying from the bottom. Top roping was done when your belayer was belaying from above. I think bottom roping was replaced with slingshot belay, and now it is just referred to as top roping, the opposite of it's original meaning, I blame the gumbies for that one. It's like how the nonclimbing world and gumbies call freesoloing freeclimbing. Even most cavers call it freeclimbing, and here they are freesoling in caves all the time.
"It is difficult to estimate the potential damage of solvents; therefore the middle of the rope should never be marked with a felt-tip pen or similar. Although a danger might be improbable, it should never be ignored." Mammut