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A real sense of community would be to find out who bolted the line (it's not that difficult), and then approach the person about getting on the route even for the FA. Of course, be grateful and offer to pay for the gear.

Some people are willing to surrender the FA opportunity. If he/she says no, then get over your sense of entitlement and move on.

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If you want it open you should have bolted it before me! After all the routes have been there for 1000's of years just waiting for someone to come by and apply some bolts!

Ps, it is hard to take annon posters very seriously.

Ok, so the thing that I am trying to understand here is why would someone want to close a route that they have just bolted. Is it just because that person wants to get the FA, or is it some other reason, it just seems silly and I just don't get it. I figured people would start responding with reasons behind doing this instead of just making smart a$$ comments, apparently I was wrong.

lol...wes, I decide to bite, bc it is friday.

swiffer, you pay me for any route I have redtagged, it is yours to do with what you see fit. until then, keep posing.

you don't set the guidelines for how long/when something gets opened. the equipper does..get over it. and slug thru the cold temps in the winter looking for new walls like we do, and open your own routes. then you'll be a happy camper.

I can guarantee you that bolting development would run to a standstill if your entitlement mentality were the norm. like I was telling pawilkes...I have bolted around 25 routes on a new public crag, but because of people like you, I will not diclose its location until I have sent every route there. As it is looking, it may be another 2-3 years. sorry.

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There, there mr.ᴙↂᵷƔÈ

-bad bolt
-need to move a bolt
-no chains on it yet
-needs to be scrubbed for the sport wienies
-it's my money and time, and you don't dictate how either of those are spent.

The first four are grouped in the bolting process, the first three are safety, and none of the first four explain why people leave a route redtagged for months, because if it takes you that long to equip a route then you need to go back to setting plastic routes.
The last reason "it's my money and time", ok, I realize that but what does that have to do with closing it, and who says i'm trying to dictate how you spend your time and money.

Oh, what is this sense of entitlement you speak of mr.rhunt, because I have none, just a simplistic person trying to get a simple answer. I now see that most people that post on here are not mature enough to do this simple thing, but then again, what fun would it be not to post some snide comments.

.I have bolted around 25 routes on a new public crag, but because of people like you, I will not *disclose its location until I have sent every route there. As it is looking, it may be another 2-3 years. sorry.

Are you trying to say that I get on other people's redtagged routes, or do you just realize the hordes of people it will piss off to see an entire cliff redtagged?