McCains VP

[pigsteak]

tomdarch, that is classic......making fun sarah palin's education, but unable to spell Dan Quayle's name......classic liberal....spew hate first, think later.

sorry to piss on your liberal parade again, but the Truth express is coming at ya boyzzzzz....hahahahahahahahaha

btw, so you dudes don't froth too much at the mouth, I am still voting Obama. But for god's sake, you holier than thou, all republicans are evil, kool aid drinkers of the obama phenomenon are such narrow minded pawns. let's see whose bitchin' in 4 years when universal health care is ran like every other gov't assisted program, obama refuses to really fix social security, and $10 minimum wage puts small business owners on the chopping block. there's a trade off for every social program you want implemented. both these jokers are funding their "plans" with trillion dollar deficit spending.....two peas in a pod...not an ounce of difference, and if you think otherwise, then you bought the swamp in Arizona.

otherwise, all have a superb weekend.

[Shamis]

I think this was a strong strategic move by mccain.

Also, I'd probably hit that.

[tomdarch]

tomdarch, that is classic......making fun sarah palin's education, but unable to spell Dan Quayle's name......classic liberal....spew hate first, think later.

That was, uh, er, irony! Yeah, uh, ha ha? You didn't get the joke...

But seriously - "spew hate"? Weak.

Given that Gov. Palin has pretty minimal experience (a whopping 19 and 7/8 months as governor, and 2 whole terms as mayor. But it turns out that Wasila isn't a town of 9,000, when she was mayor the 2000 census had it at about 5,500), it seems that education would be the next thing to look at.

We've just been through 8 years of a president who wasn't exactly "strong" academically. It seems significant that we're being asked to consider a ticket where the top graduated pretty much at the bottom of his class, albeit from the Naval Academy, I assume with a Bachelor's, and a veep with an undistinguished Bachelor's. Sure, el Shrubbo went to Andover, Yale and later Harvard, but he was admitted under the ultimate "affirmative action" plan - the "your daddy went here" plan.

There are lots of good, smart folks who have the equivalent of a Journalism degree (with a minor in Politics!) from the equivalent of U of Idaho. I'm more than happy to hire them as a graphic designer or my accountant and such. But when it comes to the Presidency or Vice Presidency, I'll go with the guy who got himself into Columbia (in International Relations - not the top-ranked GW program, but not bad) and then Harvard Law on his own merits, was president of the law review and graduated magna cum laude.

Maybe it's "hateful" of me to point this out. Maybe thinking that "bottom of the class" sucks and "Harvard law magna cum laude" is a good thing is "missing the Truth express". My bad.

OK - you point out a bunch of valid issues with Obama's claims. (Give it a week, and I'm sure that McCain will top them for goofiness.) So:
- what is the "right way" to fix Social Security without a net revenue difference?
- Under current law, the minimum wage will be at $7.25 in 7/09. You say that if it went up to $10 a few years later (a 28% increase), this would lead to significantly increased failures of small businesses. In "real dollars" that would be equivalent to the minimum wage in '63-'66. Was that a particularly difficult time for small businesses? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, about 2% of US hourly workers were paid at or under the minimum wage in '07. Given that many small businesses have no hourly employees at all, what percentage of small businesses would be impacted at all? (Seems to me, lots of small businesses would benefit from more people with more money to buy their goods and services. I'll skip the tangent into how the monopsony problem in low-wage labor markets leads to market failure, which requires government intervention. Oh, that and the simple moral argument for requiring a "living wage".) What's your proof that moving the minimum wage to the level it was at in the early 60's would have either a net negative effect on the economy as a whole or, broadly speaking, would harm small businesses?

[TankAzz]

i'm just frustrated that there are former hillary supporters who are stupid enough to vote for mccain/palin simply because she's a woman, rather than checking out the facts.

[dipsi]

i'm just frustrated that there are former hillary supporters who are stupid enough to vote for mccain/palin simply because she's a woman, rather than checking out the facts.

Ooh, I'm going to regret this.....and in no way is this a statement of my political views, but....

No more frustrating than the voters for Obama simply because he's black. It's a scary election for sure.

[Brentucky]

i'm just frustrated that there are former hillary supporters who are stupid enough to vote for mccain/palin simply because she's a woman, rather than checking out the facts.

Ooh, I'm going to regret this.....and in no way is this a statement of my political views, but....

No more frustrating than the voters for Obama simply because he's black. It's a scary election for sure.

and don't forget all the people who WON'T vote for either of them for the same reasons!

the living wage is a good thing; it's all any real climber needs!

[pigsteak]

Tom, if it truly was irony, then you got me. Check mate.

I would prefer that Obama and Palin both have more time in the trenches of politics before taking on the top job. We all also know very smart folks from top ranked schools who never make anything with their lives. And vice versa.

I don't really buy the whole "you must be ivy league" to serve mentality. It smacks of elitist up and down. Nor do I subscibe to the "if you have ghosts in your closet", we'll call you out mentality. Many honorable people probably refuse to get into politics because of the jaded way it is seen.

I honestly thought, and still do, that Obama was going to try a "new style" in DC. And I also gave McCain that same benefit. But with Biden, Obama hooked his horse to a lifer, and took away his most important attack tool on Mccain. With Palin, McCain took away his biggest fighting tool against Obama (inexperience).

Both stupid VP choices in my opinion , becasue they play into the politics as usual, listen to the polls, game.


and Tank, those women were probably on the fence to start with. Are you sure the libs want the "ignorant" votes anyway? Y'all want to win becasue every vote was the brilliant, informed vote. Libs better be careful wishing for the facts, cause implementing all the programs and promises of either of the guys will jack your taxes so high you won't be able to sleep.

Of course, since 90% of libs hold gov't or social jobs or are on welfare, they'd like for the generous wage earners to pay their way. 8)

[mcrib]

Piggie when you apply for a job do they not take into account where you went to school? Is a job candidate who went to a more well know and prestigious school more likely to get the job? If you have more education aren't you more likely to get a better job with more responsibility? isn't the vice presidency a job with considerable responsibility?

I heard a spokesperson for the GOP on CNN saying that her experience as a working mother should "count for something". Sure but that something has nothing to do with being vp. It was also pointed out that she is under investigation for corruption by the Alaska state legislature after 25 months in office. But she's got that damn experience of being a working mother that just makes her so appealing.

[pigsteak]

mcrib..I'd say most employees do not care where you went to school. they look at GPA and work experience. now, some high dollar jobs, yes, where it might be important. but if you went to a state school, had decent grades, then you're fine. that'd be the majority of us I am guessing. and ivy leaugers on here?

listen, you ain't getting any defending of Palin from me. I said the choice sucked. I also think Biden sucks as a VP choice.

Obama is my man, in spite of Biden.

And I am sure McCain supporters would say the same.

However, since energy policy seems to be the flavor of the month, perhaps Palin will bring something to the table. we'll see.

[Jay]

No more frustrating than the voters for Obama simply because he's black.

Honestly, that doesn't scare me as much as all of the stuck-in-the-1950's bigots who WON'T vote for Obama simply because he's black.

When are people finally going to realize that skin color shouldn't be a factor in choosing a candidate to lead any country, let alone one that is full of people of all skin colors?

It's a scary election for sure.

Yup.