Q: Regarding the survey, what kind of survey are you talking about for $15,000? Is that just a property boundary survey, or would that be a more extensive survey including elevations, topographical lines, locations of roads and creeks, locations of oil equipment, locations of other elements such as ponds, etc. ?
A: It's a property boundary survey which entails marking what the boundary is based on landmarks and the descriptions and references in the deed itself and comparing it with neighboring deeds. It's both document work and field work. Detail like you described wouldn't be necessary, we only need someone to declare where the actual boundary is in the field, then survey it with modern equipment for a new description. Of course, this is only the first step. The 20 or so land owners that are affected would also have to be contacted to see if they agree with the surveyors assessment. If not, we're looking at a possible lawsuit for the courts to settle the matter. Not sure we want to go that direction yet, of course.
Question: Those who "buy a route"... do they get annual RRGCC memberships with that?
A: Dunno. I'd guess probably not since it would be easier to keep the finances separate and would cause some problems since many donations would come from existing members who have already paid dues.
Q: Johnny, can you answer my question about the oil rights? Or did I somehow miss it?
A: I think I covered it in my first response. If you have more Q's, ask again.
Gotta go home for now. Will respond to further questions tomorrow.
Johnny
Murray Property Update
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Johnny, what do you think about offering 2 levels of route purchase/sponsorship. One price which buys you the route, and another higher price which buys you the route and the right to rename it. That may pry open some wallets of people with no hope of an FA in the near future. I think it would be fun to name a route! Naturally you would need to clear this with the FA(s) but I'll bet that they wouldn't mind if the cost were say double that of regular sponsorship/purchase - whatever you want to call it - all for the good of the cause! The original name should reside in the route description of course.
Johnny - So how does the whole "buy a route" thing work, anyway? I mean, I understand we give a said amount this year and that money is going for the Sept deadline. But next year and on is what I'm wondering about. I mean, do we get a bill every year for the amount of our bid or is it just a *request* for that said amount? I initially understood the "buy a route" deal to be an annual payment but now I'm thinking that legally that probably wouldn't hold any weight. How is that whole thing going to work? Like what if someone buys a route for $250 but next year moves to Wyoming...are they obligated to continue payments for the life of the loan?
Q: So how does the whole "buy a route" thing work, anyway? I mean, I understand we give a said amount this year and that money is going for the Sept deadline. But next year and on is what I'm wondering about. I mean, do we get a bill every year for the amount of our bid or is it just a *request* for that said amount? I initially understood the "buy a route" deal to be an annual payment but now I'm thinking that legally that probably wouldn't hold any weight. How is that whole thing going to work? Like what if someone buys a route for $250 but next year moves to Wyoming...are they obligated to continue payments for the life of the loan?
A: We're still hammering out the details, so the short answer is I don't know yet. Basically the "bid" is a pledge, just like for the United Way or Public Radio. Since we will rely on these pledges to run the organization and purchase the property, they shouldn't be made lightly (and I think climbers and businesses will recognize this). Seems to me, that as long as the pledger keeps up their end of the deal, then the sponsorship tag and recognition will continue. If the pledger doesn't make the next year's installment, then the route would be "open" for bidding again and the sponsor tag would be removed and replaced by the new pledger. Of course, we could make it a one time deal, but the cost per year would be quite a burden for the donator (eg. $100 pledge for 10 years is probably easier to obtain than a single $1000 pledge due by Sept. 30th). I don't think there could be much penalty for not coming through with the donation other than the usual guilt and ridicule. We discussed all these issues last night, but due to time constraints, multiple issues, lack of volunteers to delegate tasks to, and the need for more information, we couldn't reach a final decision. So much to do, so little time.
A: We're still hammering out the details, so the short answer is I don't know yet. Basically the "bid" is a pledge, just like for the United Way or Public Radio. Since we will rely on these pledges to run the organization and purchase the property, they shouldn't be made lightly (and I think climbers and businesses will recognize this). Seems to me, that as long as the pledger keeps up their end of the deal, then the sponsorship tag and recognition will continue. If the pledger doesn't make the next year's installment, then the route would be "open" for bidding again and the sponsor tag would be removed and replaced by the new pledger. Of course, we could make it a one time deal, but the cost per year would be quite a burden for the donator (eg. $100 pledge for 10 years is probably easier to obtain than a single $1000 pledge due by Sept. 30th). I don't think there could be much penalty for not coming through with the donation other than the usual guilt and ridicule. We discussed all these issues last night, but due to time constraints, multiple issues, lack of volunteers to delegate tasks to, and the need for more information, we couldn't reach a final decision. So much to do, so little time.
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