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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:34 pm
by pigsteak
scin, it is easily explainable..hard climbers on steep routes, get a kink in their eyeball from looking up.

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:02 pm
by tutugirl
About looking around...I have seen those who even when climbing something really hard look around to see who is watching them send...they send very hard if a good looking chick is watching them... :D

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:15 pm
by sendit
from gymjones.com;

In Defense of Elitism
As if it requires defending …

Gym Jones is exclusive.We exclude. It is not a question of elitism vs. egalitarianism because there can be no question; the black belt is elite, the white belt is not. The black belt is earned through long, difficult work, rigorous education, commitment, and persistence. Not everyone gets a black belt. It's not T-Ball. We invite elite performers to train here because they foster the environment we prefer. It is the rare athlete who improves despite training exclusively with less capable practitioners and such exceptions may not be used to prove a rule. Talented athletes surround themselves with others of a similar or higher caliber – both mental and physical – and improve by doing so.

The parallel motive has to do with choosing who we want to spend our limited time with: why would we open our arms to any and everyone?
www.gymjones.com

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:29 pm
by pigsteak
sendit wrote:from gymjones.com;

In Defense of Elitism
As if it requires defending …

Gym Jones is exclusive.We exclude. It is not a question of elitism vs. egalitarianism because there can be no question; the black belt is elite, the white belt is not. The black belt is earned through long, difficult work, rigorous education, commitment, and persistence. Not everyone gets a black belt. It's not T-Ball. We invite elite performers to train here because they foster the environment we prefer. It is the rare athlete who improves despite training exclusively with less capable practitioners and such exceptions may not be used to prove a rule. Talented athletes surround themselves with others of a similar or higher caliber – both mental and physical – and improve by doing so.

The parallel motive has to do with choosing who we want to spend our limited time with: why would we open our arms to any and everyone?
www.gymjones.com
not sure what that has do do with the topic at hand..but I do agree.

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:35 pm
by rjackson
sendit...

I wholeheartedly agree with much of Twight's insight and rationale, but belonging to an elite group should not exclude anyone from basic manners and the quest to be a decent human being.

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:47 pm
by charlie
anticlmber wrote:........too bad your downtown sucks balls.
Too bad your whole town sucks balls.

/how'sthat4elitest

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:49 pm
by Wes
Wait, are you all sure you are talking to real elitists? Don't you usually have to talk to/through their submen only?

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:09 pm
by sendit
rjackson wrote:sendit...

I wholeheartedly agree with much of Twight's insight and rationale, but belonging to an elite group should not exclude anyone from basic manners and the quest to be a decent human being.
I agree , i wanted to see if people had any trouble with elitism in general. Some climbers obviously receive favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority. Others are conscious of and take great pride in belonging to a select group. Believing in the utility of elitism doesn't make one a jerk but it oftentimes plays out that way.

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:27 pm
by pigsteak
elitism is everywhere....you went to college? yer better than the guy with a high school diploma..who is better than the GED dude...who is better than the dropout...

or so the societal pecking order goes......

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:17 pm
by krampus
tutugirl wrote:...they send very hard if a good looking chick is watching them... :D
I always send harder when a good looking chick is watching. Thank god my fiance is hot. :lol: