The crowds are not going away... So what do we do?

[Clevis Hitch]

If you're the one holding the gun, its not a debate

[bcombs]

I have never heard of any climber being injured, held at gun point, beaten, etc. by a local. Can you name any?

Actually, one just popped into mind. Ask Andrew about taking a group out to Oil Crack.

[climb2core]

National parks average 12 murders per year; the overall frequency of violent crime in national parks is one attack per one million visitors

Odds of dying while in the bath tub - 1 in 1 million.

And while I am throwing out useless facts..

There are also 1 million ants for every person in the world.

[Andrew]

I have never heard of any climber being injured, held at gun point, beaten, etc. by a local. Can you name any?

Actually, one just popped into mind. Ask Andrew about taking a group out to Oil Crack.

Not a fun day, but even if I had a gun I wouldn't have used it or pulled it out, and we all made it out fine without it turning into a shoot out.

[bcombs]

ha ha... awesome.

But that is one way to thin out the crowds. Pay some locals to fire warning shots on any group larger than 4.

[Clevis Hitch]

warning hell!

[cletuswilcox]

this maybe the least constructive website I have ever been on. Thanks for everyone who continues to make it ineffectual. If anyone is interested in a constructive conversation please call me. If you'd like my number send me a private message and I'll send it to you.

[SCIN]

Mission accomplished.

[milspecmark]

If you're the one holding the gun, its not a debate

You ass. I just spit coffee all over my desk. Lmfao