So what's EKU's tax number? Do they actually have one or are they just ripping off students? If you don't post the number here within a time period I personally deem sufficient, then clearly you are either too naive to be trusted as a student of EKU or else you are in on the scam.J.H. wrote:I have not bashed the CC. I just asked some questions. I tried to ask these questions in private, no one knew the answers or didn't care to answer them if they did.
I asked several people who are deeply involved in the CC " what is the non-profit status of the CC?"
CAC/Board/CC member would say,"they are a non-profit entity."
I would then ask,"Where is their tax-exempt number,or where can I find it?"
CAC/Board/CC member would say"That has been aplied for."
I would then ask,"haven't they been in existance since 1997 ?"
"Yes." they would respond.
"They are waiting on paperwork since 1997 ?" I would disbelievingly ask.
"These things take time.You know how slow the goverment is." was the response.
Oh I dunno. Read the charter? Or would you rather see twenty thousand bucks a year spent for a full time person on staff to answer questions for people too lazy to look in the place legally designated to contain such information?J.H. wrote:This is how several conversations on the subject went. I then would ask about the CC hiarchy. I never recieved an answer that even remotely sounded informed.
So what was I suposed to do?
So, since you don't know EKU's tax number, I should be suspicious? I should ask you a bunch of unrelated antagonistic questions like when was the last time you stole gear from a climbing partner? Because you don't know the tax number of an institution you are closely affiliated with, it is ok for me to raise questions in the minds of all the people on this board whether you can be trusted not to steal our expensive climbing gear? Out of all the current and past members of the RRGCC you are the only one bright enough to ask these questions? The only one with a big enough sack? Dude, get OVER yourself. The biggest reason nobody bothered to answer you was the combination of that attitude and the fact that this has all been hashed out, over and over and over again, old news, and it is crystal clear from your questions that you never even bothered to look.J.H. wrote:I'm sorry, I don't trust people that much and when I ask questions and get the response "I don't know"...It makes me suspicious. I have found that the majority of the vocal people in the CC are elitist, exclusionary and very secretive.
Those traits make people suspicious. Naturally so.
I'm sure you'd like to see the JH Foundation buy up all the crags and set things up so you got your way all the time.
Bad news, kid.
The sugar plum fairy's out of magic dust. Unless you got a lot more cash than you have the brains to have earned, you have two choices.
One, the company who has "No Trespassing" signs up all over your crags.
Two. a Coalition of 500 climbers, give or take, most of whom have read and approved the charter, the MOU, etc. etc. etc. and continue to pay their dues, year after year, as if (gasp) no big scam has actually occurred. Dismiss us a 500 ignorant sheep at your own risk, and in doing so, lock arms with the oil company.
That's it. In the real world, that's all the options you have. Sorry it doesn't match your perfect "I have a right to climb" vision of the world.
'Lessen you want to...provide an alternative. You're probably brave enough to be point man. Thing is, the folks running the RRGCC seem to understand a few of the finer points of leadership like recon...that way they don't end up singlehandedly engaging a brigade, and in the unlikely event they do, they don't express surprise when they get handed their ass.
Do you have any idea who I am?
That's right, I'm nobody. Nobody at all. And still I was able to walk up to Shannon and in ten minutes get every question I had answered. Yep, all of the supposedly brilliant questions you ...originated.....only this was at least two years ago.
It was clear that, being a climber, she'd have rather talked to Ron Kauk, or any of the other hard climbers that were there, but instead she took the time to do something even more important than climbing, which was possibly recruit another DBNF user to help keep the crags open for all of us.
Your claim that you were unable to get answers is horseshit. The answers are there if you really wanted them. Therefore, your claim that your suspicious and frankly insulting questions were justified, is horseshit too. You dumped a bucket of crap on a bunch of people who are busting their ass to maintain your privelege to climb, and unless you want to go down in history the way your rep stands right now, an apology is in order.
