Muir Valley Concerns

[krampus]

sounds like a hilbilly pearl necklace, can't say I'm into that

[kneebar]

does anyone know how many crags in the US have a "no dogs" policy?

Not sure, but my money is on more and more every year. It really is too bad, cus I really love dogs (the nice ones that are trained anyway) some of the owners suck ass but I love there dog....cough Ho, Del.

again, can anyone name even one crag that has a no dog policy...we get all worked up over these issues, but I honestly don't know what crags ban dogs. I would think banning rappelling,cigarettes and alcohol would be wiser at these crags.

I guess you could consider this a "crag"

Yosemite regulation:

Pets are only allowed

in developed areas
on fully paved trails and roads
in campgrounds (except Tamarack Flat, Porcupine Flat, and walk-in campgrounds)
Pets are not allowed
on unpaved or poorly paved trails
in Wilderness areas
on shuttle buses
in concessioner lodging areas
in Tamarack Flat, Porcupine Flat, and all walk-in campgrounds
in any group or horse camps
Pets must be restrained on a leash not more than six feet long or otherwise physically restrained
Leashed pets may not be left unattended
For the courtesy of other visitors, human companions are responsible for cleaning up and depositing pet feces in trash receptacles


Devils tower regulation:

Pets are not allowed on the trails at Devils Tower National Monument.
By regulation, pets may not be left unattended, even in a vehicle. Extreme temperatures in vehicles may cause suffering and death to pets. Animals may not be left tied to objects since pets may make unreasonable noise and may present a danger to other visitors.
Leashed pets may be exercised in the parking areas, along the roadways and in the picnic area. Pets are also permitted in the campground if they are leashed and not left unattended.

NPS general regulation:

In general, pets are permitted but must be restrained either on a leash not exceeding 6 feet in length, caged or crated at all times. Park Superintendents and Managers have the discretion to further restrict areas open to pets (i.e., trails, buildings, campgrounds may be off limits).

Restrictions on pets in parks are as much to protect your pet as to protect park resources. Following are some of the reasons parks give for regulating the presence of pets:
--When a loose pet chases a squirrel or raccoon, the wild animal's ability to survive is threatened, and when it is threatened, it may react aggressively.
--There is a strong possibility in parks such as Yellowstone that your pet could become prey for bear, coyote, owl, or other predators.
--There is a possibility of exchange of diseases between domestic animals and wildlife. --Dogs, the most common traveling companion, are natural predators that may harass or even kill native wildlife that is protected within the park's boundaries.
--The "scent of a predator" that dogs leave behind can disrupt or alter the behavior of native animals. --Pets may be hard to control, even on a leash, within confines of often narrow park trails and may trample or dig up fragile vegetation.
--Dog and cat feces add excessive nutrients and bacterial pollution to water, which decreases water quality and can also cause human health problems.
--Finally, lost domestic animals sometimes turn to preying on park wildlife and must be destroyed.

The NPS has the ability to enforce the leash regulations with fines most climbing areas that are private don't. The easy thing to do for a private land owner is a total ban if the owners can't/ won't regulate themselves. It really does suck for the cool dogs.

[Paul3eb]

thanks kneebar.. i thought most of the nps (and possibly the usfs) had a policy along those lines.

[mcrib]

meadows is just pissed cus she's still a n00b

[pigsteak]

thanks ken....

[Zspider]

gunslinga wrote:

But what you don't know is that I recently helped to arm Yasmeen.

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Cool! What kind of idiot am I, Yasmeen? A goat sex kind? Can you get a license for that?

ZSpiddy

[StephyG]

Wouldn't you folks agree that one of the great benefits of climbing is spending the day in a pristine environment?

Imagine yourself off climbing in some foreign land where the vegetation and wildlife inspired you with awe. Would you be offended if the caretaker asked you to respect the land by keeping your dog on a leash and ensuring that he did not negatively impact the environment? Well, Muir valley is that place. Next time you are there, take a look around. Step out of your ego driven need to send hard routes, and realize that Muir Valley is not just a valley rimmed with cliff line, but an environment that is home to a large variety of plants and wildlife...an ecosystem well worth preserving.

http://www.redriverclimbing.com/album_p ... ic_id=2149

[pigsteak]

is that a fossilized bugger?

[StephyG]

Not sure what a bugger is. Maybe someone who brings their annoying dog to the crag and bugs everyone including the wildlife.

Actually it is the bear claw found in Muir Valley; likely used to pick bear boogers or buggers' boogers, if the bugger bugged the bear to much.

[Pru]

That's a tooth, not a claw.