Not sure, but my money is on more and more every year. It really is too bad, cus I really love dogs (the nice ones that are trained anyway) some of the owners suck ass but I love there dog....cough Ho, Del.pigsteak wrote:does anyone know how many crags in the US have a "no dogs" policy?
Muir Valley Concerns
-
anticlmber
- Posts: 3393
- Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:34 am
again, can anyone name even one crag that has a no dog policy...we get all worked up over these issues, but I honestly don't know what crags ban dogs. I would think banning rappelling,cigarettes and alcohol would be wiser at these crags.kneebar wrote:Not sure, but my money is on more and more every year. It really is too bad, cus I really love dogs (the nice ones that are trained anyway) some of the owners suck ass but I love there dog....cough Ho, Del.pigsteak wrote:does anyone know how many crags in the US have a "no dogs" policy?
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
piggie, are you serious ? there are so many state, national and private crags around the states that have a no dog policy.
your dog is cool, morgains dog is cool, i like to think our dog is a great crag dog(and we dont take him to muir, roadside, military or other busy crags) a lot of people that posted on here have cool dogs. but its the same problem with too many people, when you put a lot in one space issues will come up. if you dont have policies in place to help prevent the problems or if people ignore the policies in place the next thing is to ban whatever is causing the problem. if dogs are the biggest issue at muir and people cant follow the simple rules rick and liz have put in place i would much rather see dogs banned than people.
your dog is cool, morgains dog is cool, i like to think our dog is a great crag dog(and we dont take him to muir, roadside, military or other busy crags) a lot of people that posted on here have cool dogs. but its the same problem with too many people, when you put a lot in one space issues will come up. if you dont have policies in place to help prevent the problems or if people ignore the policies in place the next thing is to ban whatever is causing the problem. if dogs are the biggest issue at muir and people cant follow the simple rules rick and liz have put in place i would much rather see dogs banned than people.
http://www.redriveroutdoors.com
If you need to contact me , email me. Less Internet, less stress
If you need to contact me , email me. Less Internet, less stress
Well said. Its really easy, keep it on a leash or at home. If you don't like that, climb elsewhere, plenty of other five star routes in the gorge.RRO wrote:if dogs are the biggest issue at muir and people cant follow the simple rules rick and liz have put in place i would much rather see dogs banned than people.
thanks charlie... I honestly didn't know that info...(can't you tell I don't boulder much.)
RRO, I am not trying to debate the issue, just get the info... what nat'l or state climbing areas ban dogs? aren't the ones Charlie mentioned private areas?
correction on our dog being cool..our dog is cool only when he is alone. when he is with other dogs, he is part of the problem, stirring up dust and causing havoc. other dog owners don't seem to mind, but I can bet non dog owners don't appreciate it as much....and if our river doesn't know you, he will bark very loud when you approach, and then lick you...not exactly a saint.
RRO, I am not trying to debate the issue, just get the info... what nat'l or state climbing areas ban dogs? aren't the ones Charlie mentioned private areas?
correction on our dog being cool..our dog is cool only when he is alone. when he is with other dogs, he is part of the problem, stirring up dust and causing havoc. other dog owners don't seem to mind, but I can bet non dog owners don't appreciate it as much....and if our river doesn't know you, he will bark very loud when you approach, and then lick you...not exactly a saint.
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
Well, my dogs are more *local* then any of you chuffers, seeing as they were born down there. So that should give them special access or something... 
Maybe we should just ban everyone who wasn't climbing before 2000? Like many other issues in the world, we are focusing on one symptom of the problem, and not the problem itself. Do you think if there were half as many climbers in the red, that we would even be talking about this? The real problem is too many people. Which is the real problem with the global environment, and just like that isn't going to be solved by recycling/going green/etc, banning dogs isn't going to solve the RRG problem, though it may help redistribute people a bit, at least at first. What happens next year when the climbing population has increased another 15%? And the year after? Can you imagine what the red would be like today without Muir and the PMRP? Are we, as climbers, going to have to open new areas and hundreds of new routes a year, just to keep the status quo with regards to crowding?
Maybe we should just ban everyone who wasn't climbing before 2000? Like many other issues in the world, we are focusing on one symptom of the problem, and not the problem itself. Do you think if there were half as many climbers in the red, that we would even be talking about this? The real problem is too many people. Which is the real problem with the global environment, and just like that isn't going to be solved by recycling/going green/etc, banning dogs isn't going to solve the RRG problem, though it may help redistribute people a bit, at least at first. What happens next year when the climbing population has increased another 15%? And the year after? Can you imagine what the red would be like today without Muir and the PMRP? Are we, as climbers, going to have to open new areas and hundreds of new routes a year, just to keep the status quo with regards to crowding?
"There is no secret ingredient"
Po, the kung fu panda
Po, the kung fu panda
I'm for it. Here's a little help to get started from our friends at RCee.com.....
[quote="The Leech @ RCEE.com"]The n00bs must be Culled!
Maybe we shouldn’t kill them directly, but we’ve got to do something about the influx of n00bs that increases exponentially every day.
I know we’ve all done this at least once... There’s a nice guy at work who says that he wants to come climbing some time. So you take him outside, show him the ropes, and have a good time. But what have you really done? You’ve created another n00b, that’s what.
Maybe you’ve seriously responded to an rc.com thread with a question like, “How do I make a toprope anchor?â€
[quote="The Leech @ RCEE.com"]The n00bs must be Culled!
Maybe we shouldn’t kill them directly, but we’ve got to do something about the influx of n00bs that increases exponentially every day.
I know we’ve all done this at least once... There’s a nice guy at work who says that he wants to come climbing some time. So you take him outside, show him the ropes, and have a good time. But what have you really done? You’ve created another n00b, that’s what.
Maybe you’ve seriously responded to an rc.com thread with a question like, “How do I make a toprope anchor?â€
-
anticlmber
- Posts: 3393
- Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:34 am